A LOT with Audra

Ep22
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Audra Dinell: [00:00:00] Hey there. Welcome back to another week of a lot with Audra. So today we're gonna be talking about a topic that comes up in my intro, and that is the topic of values. It's one of my favorite topics, and it's definitely something that I've built my business around and that I. Continually like to roll around and look through the lens of, and my team does too.

So they are here with me today. We cover this topic in one of our cohorts and we are just gonna dive in. Okay. Y'all. Hello. [00:01:00] Hi. Hi. We are talking about values today. Why do they matter? Like it's such a big, fluffy pie in the sky Word values. It feels like it's the thing that you saw in your poster in your gym in elementary school, right.

It's like values, but I feel like we are super intentional about our values. We talk about them a lot. We use them as filters a lot. So I'm just curious, like why would someone continue to listen to this episode? Why do values matter to you?

Kristen Selby: So I feel like I look at values as kind of like a tethering post for my life.

You know, when we, in different seasons and in different endeavors, sometimes I feel like we lose ourselves a little bit, whether it's motherhood, starting a business a transition at work to a new role relationship. Sometimes we start to look around us and it's so easy and natural for us to do and think.

What other people have is what we should want or should be. And so to me it's like this anchor to myself [00:02:00] and the core of who I am and what I want in this life, and it is consistent no matter what season I'm in.

Audra Dinell: I often think about it as a compass, but I really like that you called it like this tethering post and like the elementary school mom and me is like pat and tethering tether ball.

So, so I love that that visual of just like, it's constant, but do you feel like they ever. Your values ever change?

Kristen Selby: I think we'll probably get to this, but I feel like I have had probably between five and seven values, but two or three of them consistently show up every time, no matter the season.

It's almost like our strengths to me, like that's, I guess just my opinion, that, you know, they can maybe take that number one spot depending on what's going on in your life, or maybe they drop down to five or six, but I, there are two or three values that. No matter what tool I use, and it might be labeled a different way, but it's kind of the same idea.

Audra Dinell: So you have core values that you [00:03:00] feel like have just not changed over the course of your life, and then based on different seasons, maybe different values can come into play for you. Yeah, I think so. I Also love that you really called out that like in this world in 2025, everyone has a social media highlight reel. There are so many shoulds I talk about should a lot on this podcast and values seem to be sort of like your shield even. We're using a lot of metaphors today, but they seem to be your shield of like, oh, that looks good and shiny, but.

You look at it through that lens of values to determine whether or not it is for you.

Kristen Selby: Yeah. I almost think of it like when you get really, really quiet and you still all of the noise around you. It's like the truth ist you, you can find, right? Mm-hmm. It's just the core of who you are and why you're here

Audra Dinell: and gosh, you have to slow down so much to even get there.

To even have that knowing, like I feel like that is the challenge. [00:04:00] To like be able to find that spot inside of you that is the truth, ist you and not be so distracted by the noise. That's the work.

Kendra Moody: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: Why do values matter?

Kendra Moody: I feel like for me, and I know we'll talk about our journeys, but I only started doing values work because of the thread.

And so for me, values have given my life a new meaning and I truly feel like. They act as a filter. So I envision like every morning I'm making my coffee and I'm pouring the water through the grounds, like the goodness is what comes out on the other end. And so I think of values as kind of like that filter to living a life that feels aligned with who you are and gives you the authenticity.

And I also feel like when I'm not living, in alignment with my values, my body feels that I'm stressed, I am snippy. I don't feel well. I [00:05:00] may be, you know, come down with something. And so for me, I often think as if I'm living in my values, I shouldn't be overwhelmed with stress. And so that's a great lens for me to look through when I'm feeling that way.

It's clearly probably because my values, I'm not leaning into them as much as I could be.

Audra Dinell: That's so interesting. I'd never thought about it like that, that when you're not living in your values, your body feels it. Mm-hmm. You mentioned sickness. Yes. But you also mentioned stress, like where, where does that show up for you in your body?

Kendra Moody: Stress for me shows up in my body via migraines. It shows up like I feel like as women we carry our stress like in our shoulders. So I'll notice some extra attention there. But just tightness everywhere I'll notice and of course I'm big on the food that I'm feeding my body, so I'll notice like if my gut feels yucky I notice in my behavior [00:06:00] towards my family, sorry, boys, like if I'm yelling more, it's, or, just not present or snippy.

I feel like I notice that too, like shortness.

Audra Dinell: Oh, love that. I love that. That always brings you back Yeah. To your values. And I, I, think of in your coffee filter, which man, like we are just rich in metaphors today. Right. I know in your coffee filter, I'm envisioning like the grounds being all the noise.

Yeah. And it's like you, you pour the water in and maybe that water is like you, but then there's all this noise that has to go through and your values are that filter that you're saying you use mm-hmm. To kind of get the good stuff that you drink. Yeah. Dang. That's so good. I also, you know, I've, I started doing values work after I became a mom deeply, I think.

And you know, I would always have, I. You know these really high level values of I value leadership, I value bravery, I value living wholehearted. And since we've been [00:07:00] doing this work in the thread and just over the years, even before that, like I just feel like I have started to really continue to drill those down and take those from me, from the pie in the sky to like an actual, how does this play out in my life?

I know one of the exercises we take our women through. Is putting the word of your value on one side of a note card. So let's say that word is joy, and then flipping that card and on the back actually tactically writing out what that looks like for you. So you know, maybe joy for you is like choosing to look at things through a positive lens or choosing to.

Look, Kendra and I were just talking about this with our spouses the other day, choosing to look at things, choosing to look for the good, choosing to look for like the glimmers. So for me, my values journey, yeah. Started very pie in the sky and has really come down to, I. Tactically, how does this show up in my life?

And it just feels like definitely a [00:08:00] definition of success. We talk about the definition of success a lot, and there's definitely shiny definitions that, especially as entrepreneurs, we can clinging to, like, my business is scaling, my revenue is X. There's just definitely like obvious definitions of success, but living in your values for me is kind of like the ultimate definition, which means that it's gonna look different for everyone.

Like everyone is gonna have a different. Looking life. Yeah, I know thinking about definition of success and values, I grew up with a single mom and so we went to a babysitter every summer until we were the age where we could stay home by ourself. And little did I realize that deep back in my subconscious, like when I became a mom, I had the desire to be able to do

that differently. And when I think about like how that shows up in my values, one of my values that I'm finding is agency. And so it's like that agency [00:09:00] to determine what summer and motherhood looks like to me. I know we talked about that on a recent episode, but I do think that agency value is something that I'm just starting to learn how to name and how that looks for me.

But it is something that really sparked in me. I. Based on my childhood when I became a mom. Mm-hmm.

So walk us through your values journey. Like where, where did it start? What's happened along the way? Where are you now in your values? Kendra? I know you mentioned it started really when you came to the threat as a participant. Mm-hmm.

Kendra Moody: So I guess the way I looked at life was never through value.

So I went to college and got a degree in criminal justice. Didn't really know what I wanted to do with that. And then while going to school, I worked at a bank and then transitioned into the space of hr. So I never really [00:10:00] held up a lens or asked myself, what do I value? Opportunities were just asked of me like, Hey, would you be interested in taking this role?

And it was always, sure, I'll learn. And then when I came to the thread, you know, 20 years into my career, I remember doing workshops where we asked ourselves like, take away all the roles that you have in life and you know, what's important to you? Who are you? And I remember just sitting there fighting back tears because I didn't know.

And so that was something that I had never defined values, defined who I was and held up my life decisions to look like through that filter. And so for me, that's where it really started of, gosh, what do I value? Who do I want to be? And that's where I would say over the last three years, I've kind of refined

what my core values are. I feel like I have five that have felt pretty solid now for the last year that I [00:11:00] try to apply every decision or every day I try to at least exhibit one of them. And they're just values that I use to help guide my decisions. When I'm thinking about where should I be spending my time, how should I show up here?

If I'm having conflict, okay, how can I show up in this mess in a way that I feel good about with my values? So it's definitely been a journey from not knowing what they are or living them out or using them as a filter to now fast forwarding being like, no, these are what I strive to at least have acknowledgement of and pay attention to every day.

Audra Dinell: I like that you mentioned even just like one a day because the truth is sometimes they can conflict. Yep. Especially, you know, you have five, which I know on our team we really like Brene Brown's Dare to Lead and she asks you to boil it down. Spoiler alert, if you haven't done [00:12:00] this. To two. And we all did that.

We all did that process. But it seems like in all of our lives, two are just, are truly not, they don't, it doesn't feel authentic to just boil it down to two. We all have, it seems like about a handful of values. Are there any values in either one of your lives that you can think of examples where they have butted heads or conflicted?

And I know you're looking at your script like, you did not ask me this. Yeah, no,

Kendra Moody: I was looking at my values. Okay. To see. I could see, so my five are health, authenticity, curiosity, connection and compassion. And I think sometimes compassion can butt up against curiosity because it's like I, I want to ask questions, but I also need to lead with compassion.

I think that it can butt up with authenticity, wanting to show up as my truest self and having compassion for others can put me in certain situations where maybe I take on too much of the, [00:13:00] the load of the relationship. So I do feel like there's a, a healthy tension between several of them. Mm.

Kristen Selby: How about you Kristen? Yeah, so I recently discovered that two of my values are in polar, like always in conflict with each other. So work centrism and family centrism Yeah. Are both really high for me and it totally checks out. Like when I read that, I thought, oh my gosh, yes. Because I get so much fulfillment and purpose in my work and I love it and I've created a business where I can, like my work

is around my kids. And so it's like that, that family piece is so important to me. And it's the whole reason I started my business and the ways that I work. And so that is definitely something that I have to keep in check.

Audra Dinell: Oh, yeah. And I bet you're, I mean, I bet that is so relatable. I'm sure there are so many people, I mean, me included, like, I don't know that those are my.

Highest values. I think all my values filter through work and family, but I, I mean, that's just [00:14:00] the whole work-life balance thing, right? Mm-hmm. Like I definitely see that in you about how you show up so intentional to both, but I just think that's really relatable.

Kristen Selby: And I think it just helps me normalize when I feel strained.

Maybe there's a conflict where I wanna be with my family and in some work role, like of course I feel that. And then it's just kind of working through that and normalizing it and saying like, yep, these two are both really important to me. And so that makes sense.

My other, the one that always pops up maybe even more frequently than those two is autonomy or freedom. Yeah. And that's, that's huge for me too.

Audra Dinell: And I can see the way you are building your business to support that and the way you run your family to support that too. So I do think it's beautiful when it's like, yes, our values conflict, but also they really can flow into one another at times.

My values right now are the ones that have always stayed are courage. I've always really valued courage and growth. [00:15:00] Those are the two. I'm finding that values that I am becoming aware of are like agency, like I mentioned. And joy. Joy is one that I do feel like I seek to make things fun or I seek to have fun.

I seek for my days to be filled with joy. So I'm not a person who, feels like they could just grind it out at a really great job for 20 years for that. What's it called? Delayed gratification. Yeah. I'm a person who like actively seeks joy in my every day, and I think I'm kind of opposite of you, Kendra.

Mm-hmm. Like instead of getting to this values work and reevaluating, I do feel like I have largely made decisions in my life based on my values, all the moves I've made, the different jobs I've tried, the different businesses I've started, like knowing, like when when I met my husband, I knew at 17 I wanted to marry him.

Like just little [00:16:00] things like I just cling. I do feel like I've lived largely based on my values and what I think values work has given me is the language around it and the understanding to know that like, oh, okay, well. You made this decision because of this value. And not to say it's been perfect.

It sure hasn't, and I've definitely lived out, out of my values and been influenced and swayed. But I do think it's kind of opposite. And I think the beauty of values for me is that it's given me language.

Okay. So how does one build an actual values-based life at work, like, I'm curious, where do some of your values show up at home at work? How do you incorporate those into your life in tactical ways? Like what is on the back of your values cards that we talked about?

Kendra Moody: I think for me, when I look at how my values come through the work that I do, I look at my responsibilities with a thread, like what is it that [00:17:00] I bring to this team? And I think about kind of how I manage the operations of the cohort, what my role is every day at the workshops. Connection comes through there. Being able to be authentic in that space and allow that space for, for women.

So I feel like it takes an examination of. What am I doing every day and how can I do it in a way that gives honor to my values? So as like a health and wellness coach, of course, health is a value of mine. Connection, compassion, curiosity, often, all of those come into play there as well, because I love building connection with women and I want to meet them where they're at and have compassion for, the situations that they're in.

And then as a mom too. Compassion is actually my word for 2025, having compassion for myself and for my boys. I'm also type A, so I, things have to be [00:18:00] perfect the first time. I'm a high achiever, although I don't know, I'm as high of achiever as Kristen. But recognizing that my behavior.

Shows my boys what to do rather than the words that I say. So I really have to try and live out my values and my actions with them so that they can feel what that feels like rather than, well, mom says this, but she's, I see her doing this to herself, or whatever. So that's where I try to lead with them in each of the roles that I play.

Was that the question? Sorry.

Audra Dinell: I feel like that was great. I don't even know what the question was. Right. Okay. I just, I was thinking, gosh, what a beautiful mirror I have felt so convicted about lately of like, okay, how is every little thing I'm doing? Of course we, we don't have to be perfect. Yeah, but how is every little thing that I'm doing that I don't even think about?

How is it impacting my kids? That has just been a filter I've been thinking about. This [00:19:00] is total side note from values, but kind of not because it's like the way we're living our life does show our values. And our kids are picking up on that. Mm-hmm. I love to read. So my kids every morning can come out finding me, sitting in my chair and reading.

And I just hope that they think back one day and think about like,

Kendra Moody: oh, you know, my favorite memory of mom, I would come out in the morning and she'd be reading in her chair

Audra Dinell: and they used to be like, climb all over me and, and cuddle me. And now they're getting a little big, you know, to do that. But yeah, I do think.

Hopefully that is a value that has, that will show through, but I just think that's so convicting to remember that. Also has anyone seen the Instagram post that talks about being like a when you said you're Type A, has anyone seen the Instagram post that's like, I'm. Type a 0.5. Mm-hmm. Uhuh. I was like, that feels so me.

'cause Kristen, you're type A too, right? I guess so.

Kristen Selby: Are you type A? I mean, I don't know. I think in motherhood I'm not [00:20:00] very type A. I was gonna say, I'm pretty like, yeah, I'm pretty, I'm solidly type B in motherhood.

Audra Dinell: That is interesting because you are type A 0.5 in too, where it's like in work you are like boom, boom, boom, type A.

But I see you. Infusing freedom into your family life and flow and not perfection. And I could see where you're type BI think I'm, I just think I'm solely type 8.5.

Kendra Moody: Is that like a little bit of type A and a little bit of type B. Yeah, it's, or I've not seen the reel, so,

Audra Dinell: Okay. It's like, I can't remember exactly what it said, but something like, yes, I have a schedule, but no, I'm not gonna follow it.

Something like that. I'm like, oh my gosh. Yes. Like I have planners and schedules and calendars and alarms and all the things, suggestions. I also view them as suggestions.

Kendra Moody: That makes total sense. And I can see where you are that like in work, but have more freedom. And autonomy in your family?

Yes. Yeah.

Audra Dinell: Kristen, what's on the back of your values card?

Kristen Selby: Yeah, so I'm just thinking through my values of self-trust and [00:21:00] autonomy and kind of what we were just talking about. I feel like I have really, since turning 40, have created a life that feels very free and very fluid, and I feel like I have agency over it, over my schedule.

And I notice like Kendra was talking about. I notice in my body and in my anxiety levels when that is off and when maybe my schedule is being dictated in a way that feels suffocating to me, and it can, it used to creep in a little, you know, more quickly, but now I'm, I've gotten really good at, oh gosh.

That's why I feel like that because I've agreed to. So many coffee meetings, or I'm onboarding too many people this week, or, you know, whatever it is. And so really kind of keeping that in check. But I think what it has done for as far as like creating a life that feels good is, you know, we don't often fall into the comparison trap anymore.

My husband and I, we just like, we are creating a life that feels good to us and it [00:22:00] looks different than a lot of our friends' lives. So my husband went part-time about two years ago to help support our household and be with the kids and help support me in my business. And that felt like a really kind of

risky move maybe more to him queue the type B me at home. But I, I just think it's been such a game changer and we have made sacrifices in order to make that happen, but I would never go back. And so that feels really true. And there's something about like that autonomy value that makes me really like take confidence in a little bit of like rebellion against societal norms.

And that I've just noticed when I get to make choices that I'm like. That is our choice. And I'm gonna stand really firmly in it. Like it just feels, I just think when you live into your values, it feels so peaceful and true. And I don't even know that I have words around it, but when you are living in it, you feel it.

Kendra Moody: What you just said, Kristen made me think of like. When you live in your values, it's like looking at a mirror and saying, [00:23:00] okay, what is important to me? What do I want this to look like? Rather than looking through a window like to see what everybody else is doing. Like when you don't live in within your values, you're constantly looking at a window saying, okay, what's everybody else doing?

What should I do next? Whereas values are like the mirror. So you see yourself, your family behind you. Versus the window, which is like looking out to see what everybody else.

Audra Dinell: Okay. I've gotta add,

Kendra Moody: you just had that vision,

Audra Dinell: I've gotta add to your metaphor.

Kendra Moody: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: Let's like if anyone to pay us to cray creme metaphors for them, we can do it.

We can spin up this business. You're on fire today. We're, it's like when you get your windows tinted in your car, there you go. You're looking back at yourself instead of looking at who's in the driver's seat? Yeah. Pimp my life. Yes, pimp my life. We should start creating values, hallmark cards, values. I'm pretty sure that's the first time the word pimp has ever come up in our conversations.

But I appreciate you, you, sorry, excuse me. I appreciate you for adding. Not surprised. I think this is, this is fascinating to me and I'm like having an aha moment as you two speak [00:24:00] because I don't think. I, when I get overwhelmed, which I frequently do. And I do think part of that is like my brain chemistry, the A DHD, different things.

I don't think I've ever thought about like flags. I've never looked to my body for flags. And connected that to values, you know, like I've never felt. It realize when I'm feeling something in my body that it could be related to a misalignment of values. And I do think that's kind of hard when one of your values is courage.

Well, not really hard, but it's like my particular combo of things I think bring me some certain challenges. I'm a maximizer as a strength. I see opportunities everywhere. I value courage and like to take courageous action, but sometimes all of that can be too much, and that frequently leads me to overwhelm.

So it's like I am standing in my values when I'm doing these things. But also that conflicts sometimes then with like no longer feeling like I [00:25:00] have agency because I've put myself in this situation. And so it's like I can totally feel it in my body. I just have not connected it to values.

Kristen Selby: What are some ways that you have.

Like practices for us to stay in our values? Like are there some checkpoints? Do you just I'm Kindra probably has some strategies I would bet. But like, I have a process written. No, I'm just kidding. I What's your SOP for values? Is it like each morning, you know, is it journal? I don't know. I feel like you do have to, 'cause you were talking about earlier, getting quiet and instilling like all the noise around you.

That's so hard to do just to figure out your values. But then there's a practice of making sure that you're living into them. Each week or day.

Kendra Moody: I feel like for me, this is a journey and I am not yet at the point where I can proactively do a lot of this. So what I have found is that I am learning more through a reactive approach [00:26:00] where at the end of a day, or.

At the end of a speaking engagement or something, I can look back and say, wow, why do I feel the way I feel? So if I am really excited, okay, what value was I really leaning into there? Or if I'm having some stress or maybe some big emotions come through, I'm able to ask myself questions about why could I be feeling the way I'm feeling?

So right now I don't know that I'm doing anything from a reactive standpoint or proactive, but it is more of reflection and trying to use that to guide me into better filtering on the front. And just because I, I feel like I'm still getting used to that practice.

Kristen Selby: And Kendra has also led us through a calendar audit.

Like overlaying our values on what our day-to-day actually looks like. And so that could also be a proactive and reflective [00:27:00] process of like, okay, last week, how was I feeling in my body? Was I feeling grounded? Was I living into my values? Why or why not?

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Kristen Selby: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: So that could be something you could do at the end of the week.

I, the way you've done it for our cohorts is having them look yes back, but also you can look forward like, okay, this month coming up, what? Or even just week, what, you know, how am I showing up in my values this week? Is there anything off? Is there anything aligned? That's a really tactical strategy. Thank you for bringing that up.

Kendra Moody: I also feel like just having your values posted somewhere, like I have mine written on near my desk, so I'm able to look at those. Wes and I used to I used to write them and put 'em on our bathroom mirror and so it's almost like having them visible. Maybe it's on a card in your car somewhere where you're at frequently.

I feel like just having that consistent reminder of those words, because so many times we just get on autopilot. And aren't acting with intention. And so when [00:28:00] you have those reminders, maybe you have it on the fridge or just in different places that you're frequently at, could help with that consistent

revisiting and intention in your actions?

Audra Dinell: I have them on my desk because I'm a visual person, so yeah, I like to have them on my desk every day, and I have the values on the front, and then I can flip to the back to see, what I've written. How do I show up in courage in this season? When I'm doing my yearly and quarterly, vision casting, I always filter it through my values.

Does this feel courageous? Does this feel beautiful, joyful? Does this indicate growth? And growth can look so many, our values can look so many different ways, but I use that as a filter when I'm going through that process or if I haven't thought about it on the front end, on the back end.

Kendra Moody: Mm-hmm.

Audra Dinell: Looking through it,

Kendra Moody: have you got, we've just started experimenting with this as a family and so I'd love your guys' thoughts. How do you talk about values with your boys? We've started to have family values that we [00:29:00] talk about, and so when my boys are fighting or when there's something going on, we say, okay, what are our family values?

Are those actions aligned with that? Like, does your brother feel safe when you do that to him? Probably not. Does your brother feel loved? So do you guys. Are your values also your family values? Do you have separate family values? How do you talk about it with your boys that are, and daughter that are like all different ages?

Audra Dinell: Well, I'll answer, but I'm curious how you and your husband talk about it. Kristen, corey and I talk about it frequently. Mm-hmm. And there's this new tool by Susie Welch called The Values Bridge. It literally came out in May and we'll link it in show notes. But that's been a really cool way to kind of like do an update, check-in on our values.

So Corey and I do talk about values. We have porch nights when it gets nice. You two know this in the spring, summer and fall. You can find us after the kids are in bed just sitting on our porch and values conversations come up. We have tried. Than to create family values. But it [00:30:00] has felt a little overwhelming because it's like he's got his, I've got mine.

Sometimes they conflict oftentimes, you know, they, they hold hands and they're, they're good together. But Corey did something really cool. And when Remy turned, eight. He took him on like a camp out. So he has read some book that talks about boyhood and these different markers of boyhood. And so he took him on this camp out and talked to Remy about, you know, what are your values?

And this is what values are, and like you get to pick them and this defines you. And Remy came up with like two or three values and it was beautiful. So we can weave those into conversations with him. You know, my youngest isn't old enough for that yet, so my youngest probably values like

poop.

Kendra Moody: I was gonna say that was the word on my mind.

I know.

Audra Dinell: I'm like, I bet that that would be his value. Yeah. So I'm curious how, how you and Chase talk about it and then how you do bring it into your family.

Kristen Selby: Yeah, so actually the last values workshop my daughter attended. Mm-hmm. And so she has her values and we do talk [00:31:00] about those too. And I'm just really curious if those are going to change for her.

She did her top two, so we have those up in her room and we talk about that as she's kind of navigating middle school and now high school. And so I feel like, so when I like way, way, way, way too early, as you know, we do as parents, I created some family values and of course I did like 20 of them.

Right. And posted them on the wall and it was like one of those things that was pretty, but no one really like, so randomly and haphazardly, I'd be like, well, remember value number. 22, like my kids were like under oh five, so. Okay. Yeah. Right. But I, I'm excited, like I love Kindra that you are bringing those into your household.

Household and I am so excited to think through this because I think, you know, each of our kids at some age, like close to 13, I feel like she can understand and she can look at, you know, Brene Brown's list and, and things really would resonate with her. Mm-hmm. So I'm excited as my boys get older to see what [00:32:00] their values are, something that and, and chase, I'm excited for him to take the values bridge.

He has done values before. And so we do talk about that mainly in like creating our, you know, our definition of success as a family. We talk about what is important to each of us and then, you know, as a household and another question that we ask our kids is what kind of person they want to be when they get older. Instead of what do you wanna do when you grow up? And so, or who do you wanna be when you grow up, or who you wanna be?

Yeah. Which is like, what

Audra Dinell: do you wanna be? Yeah. I don't

Kristen Selby: know. You know? And so. That has started some conversations that I think will lead us to, like what values are most important to them, but just having conversations around it, like whether it's at the dinner table or some one-on-one time, or like, again, like when our another episode I talked about playing basketball.

Like that, that kind of stuff comes up and it can be just like a casual like, Hey bud, like what kind of person do you wanna be when you grow up? And it might start with like, I think their first answer was a good person. It's like, okay, well that's. You know, that's a start, but like kind of digging a little deeper and peeling back the [00:33:00] onion.

I'm excited about that. Oh,

Audra Dinell: I love that. I'm laughing because our pediatrician asked Mar my youngest son, what do you wanna be when you grow up? And he straight up looked in the mirror and he said, handsome. I was like, okay. Well that's a goal. It is a goal. So funny. Thank you for this beautiful conversation about values.

I think if you're a person who, like many of us have not even started in this work and it feels overwhelming or it feels pie in the sky, a really easy thing to do is to jump on Google and search Brene Brown Dare to Lead values. There's a whole PDF that she has accessible. It's also in the book, if you wanna deep dive further into it.

But just take one of those assessments. And then also Susie Welch, she has just come up with a brand new book called Becoming You and has that Values Bridge will link both of those in the show notes. But those are really good ways just to start and you get to decide like if it feels true to you, no assessment, no test, you know, can take [00:34:00] your agency of deciding, yes, this feels true to me, but you might surprise yourself.

Some things might feel like, yes, this is definitely me like I had an aha moment in taking the values bridge assessment, and one of my values per the values bridge assessment was basically, she said it in another word, but the word I'm gonna use is aesthetics.

Kendra Moody: Mm.

Audra Dinell: Would you totally agree?

Yeah. And that's what, when I read it, I was like, oh my gosh, I love being in spaces that I think are aesthetically pleasing. I aim to create a space that, yeah. I love looking the way I wanna look together. Yeah. Yes. And we talk about that in other ways, but I've never realized it was a value. I know.

So anyways, it's just been, it's fun to do this, to discover more about yourself through values, whether it be you. Pulling from your brain what you value, whether you using an assessment like this, or whether you diving into Brene Brown's work on values. But the point is get started because it's just really beautiful and fruitful and not perfect, and a journey like you [00:35:00] said, Kendra.

Go build your values-based life. We will see you next week. Thanks for being here.