A LOT with Audra

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Audra Dinnell: Hey, welcome back to a lot with Audra, the podcast for women who've been told they're too much or have ever felt like it. Here. We believe your allot is a superpower, and we're all about helping you own it. Today we have a special guest and the whole team on to interview her, but before I introduce her, I wanna ask you a question.

Were you the kind of kid who loved to get the magazines and do the quizzes and find out like what style you needed for the season or what Disney character you are? If so, you are in good [00:01:00] company. I have always been a person who's loved personality tests So sometimes tests like these, I think get a bad rap because people can read them and feel like they're boxed in by them. However, I really love to do as many type of these assessments as I can because I just think it's so interesting to learn more about myself, and I always, always, always pick up a little nugget from every test or assessment that I do.

So.

Introducing Ashley Watkins
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Audra Dinnell: That being said, I'd love to welcome in our guest for today, Ashley Watkins. She is an ACEC C coach, educator, and presenter. With over two decades of experience with a background as a high school journalism and English teacher.

Her years in the classroom allowed Ashley to discover her passion for empowering all individuals through increased self-awareness, certified by coach training EDU. In February of 2021, She established her coaching practice, Ashley Watkins Coaching, where she engages in [00:02:00] personalized one-on-one sessions with her clients and offers group coaching opportunities and whole group workshops.

Today we're gonna be talking about human design. Human design was an invaluable tool in her transformation from the classroom setting to the world of coaching and entrepreneurship After several years of independent study and application, she earned her certification in human design coaching in April of 2025.

Her mission when coaching through the lens of human design is to empower clients to trust their inner authority. Oh my gosh. Our team is so excited to have you. Ashley, thanks for being here. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. So let's get started. We just heard your bio. We heard a little bit about your background, but give us more color.

Share your story.

Discovering Human Design
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Audra Dinnell: How did you first discover this tool, human design? How did you stumble upon it and what drew you into becoming a coach in this space in particular?

Ashley Watkins: Yeah. So I first learned about human design in 2019 when I was still [00:03:00] in the classroom. I listened to a podcast that featured a woman named Erin Claire Jones.

Who had I think at that point been working in human design for about 10 years and she has a website called the Human Design Blueprint and was working with really in the corporate world and kind of bringing it and making it really accessible. And I think that's what resonated with me is that it's this thing that can be so big, but she just put it in such terms that immediately got my attention.

So got on her site, generated my chart, found out that I was a. Generator type with a wait to respond strategy and a sacral authority. So what that means and, and what that kind of, how, why that resonated with me at the time is, you know, I was finding that teaching maybe was not quite. Lighting me up in the same way.

So learning that I was a generator and that as a generator, I have the most energy when I'm lit up. I could think back to when it, it was, you know, I had been in the classroom for about 15 [00:04:00] years at that point, so for sure for a lot of that. But that kind of gave me pause of like, okay, I'm kind of feeling this not as lit up, and then that wait to respond strategy of not.

Being meant to try to create opportunities out of thin air, but responding to kind of the inspiration that comes in your environment. And I felt like there were some things that had transpired in the classroom with my students, kind of social emotional needs that maybe put my brain in overdrive of how do I help, how do I fix?

And I was definitely feeling that for like, I was trying to force things and the response I was getting from my students kind of indicated to me like. You're, you're off the path. But, but okay, what do I do? And then that sacral response, which is really for me, comes from the gut. It's, it's that you know, initial response that you can trust as opposed to thinking it, getting in those endless loops, trying to rationalize what you're doing.

And [00:05:00] so I, wasn't gonna leave like I was in teaching. I was not gonna be that teacher that like left in the middle of the year. That just wasn't part of my values. So something it helped me do, and actually, you know, the cool thing about the world we live in now is like Erin Clare Jones. She lives in upstate New York, but I was able to like, get on a call with her and like actually ask her this question of like, I'm in this job.

I still like it, but I'm feeling this sort of, you know, frustration. And she kind of gave the advice of, okay, well where can you look outside of work to be lit up? Hmm. And that kind of make, give you more energy in your day to day. And so it really was just that little nugget of wisdom that helped me, number one, take it slow.

I stayed in the classroom for, several more years after that. And then going outside of the classroom. So that was when I joined the Hive in Wichita. That's when I started going to conferences that they were having for women. That's where I first heard you speak. Roger was at that little one at Botanica.

Getting out [00:06:00] and networking, which felt so weird. You know, as teachers, we don't really have to sell ourselves. So all of this was like lighting me up and then giving me more energy in the classroom. So I was able to kind of correct and then, the world of coaching kind of came to me of like, you might like this.

This might help you to support your students in ways that feel meaningful. So I started that coach training in 2020, right as we shut down for COVID. And when I came back to the classroom, I had fallen in love with coaching. I stayed in the classroom for two more years. It really transformed me as a teacher.

I think those were two of my best years. And then all through that human design, I was still living that in my own life. Reading about it, learning about it, following things on social media, and while doing that, building my coaching business. And when I left the classroom, you know, doing things. And then here at the beginning of this year, I saw that Aaron Clarence Jones was gonna offer a human design coach training.

And that was an immediate gut yes for me. And so that's where [00:07:00] I'm am now.

Understanding Human Design Types
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Audra Dinnell: I love so much that you use this tool as sort of like a lens to. Look at your life and your unique path, and I really actually love the timeline. I think so often we feel this internal pressure to, you know, make a quick shift if we're not happy and that's not what it's about. You really took your time and listened to yourself and explored and had the courage to get out of your comfort zone. So we talked about a lot of like technical terms. At least for me, I'm like, okay, you're a what and a what, and a doing and a what. So for someone who has never heard of human design, can you just describe it in the most simple terms? Like if you were describing it to my elementary schooler?

Ashley Watkins: Yeah,

Audra Dinnell: absolutely.

Ashley Watkins: So let's come back to your first question about have, did you ever take those quizzes, which Yes. Did you ever. Manipulate those quizzes. How about that? I don't wanna be this one. I wanna be this one. Right? Lemme go back and take it again. [00:08:00] So with human design, you can't do that. It's based on your birth time date place.

So city, state, country, and I think the term that, I think I pulled this from a few different places and kind of put it together. What resonates with me is I describe it as practical mysticism. So it does have that kind of like, ooh, what is, you know, this is sort of like. How is that accurate? But then it's also very rooted in our day to day.

You know, I kinda gave my story like that was your, you know, when I work with clients, it's, we're generally talking about career, relationship, self-care can't get much more rooted in the present and in the practical than that. So what I appreciate about it is that it's never prescriptive. It's never predictive.

It's not gonna say, oh, you're a generator. You can't. Be in a relationship with the projector or whatever. You know, it's, take what resonates and leave the rest. I think with any self-awareness tool, that should always be the guidance. You know, that's when I work with clients with, with different things [00:09:00] that I do, whether it's Enneagram or different strengths finders or things like that.

Always that don't, don't try to make yourself fit the thing, like let it guide you. And so at its core, the things we're gonna talk about today as far as type, strategy, authority, which are the big three. They help you know how to use your energies, energy in ways that satisfy you, find the aligned opportunities that are gonna be right for you and make decisions about those opportunities without overthinking.

I just wanna share really quickly a quote from a book that I'm reading, and this is actually part of my preparation for our workshop in February. There's a lot of talking. I just read an article today. You know, I work a lot with young people, so most of my human design is with adults, but I do coaching with young people as well.

So I am really paying attention to this AI as therapist, as coach, as guide. The story I saw today said, 70% of young people are using [00:10:00] chat, GPT or something similar as some kind of confidant friend, whatever, and we see. Where that can go. I'm not trying to be alarmist. I think there's lots of good things about ai, but this quote from this book by Robin Wynn, who I'll talk about a little bit later she talks about when we have an open head in mind in human design, she says they're information centers, not decision making centers. It's like asking a computer to make a decision about whether you should marry someone. Yes, your brain could analyze all the data. It could make pros and cons, pro and cons list, but in the end, it is your authority determined by your chart that will support you to make aligned decisions and deliver the best results.

So what I think is really powerful about that authority piece is. It helps us get out of our heads. You know, we live in a thinking world and our brain is a beautiful thing and information. We want it all. But you know, for me, like that sacral gut authority has just been so empowering of like, I know [00:11:00] and I can sure talk myself in and out of it, and I still do.

But you know, I think that that is to me one of the beautiful parts of human design that I would wanna emphasize in kind of the simple term there.

Audra Dinnell: Yeah. It's. Energy, which I feel like gets a reputation of being really woowoo. And I mean, like, I think about me too. It's like, this is not really a world that I've, like, I, you know, I feel like I explore into, but I'm not deep into understanding.

But I just like how you shared that it is about your energy, but ultimately you have the authority like. It is just a tool.

Ashley Watkins: Yeah. Trusting your inner authority. I mean that's essentially, that is the mission of, of this piece of my coaching. So.

Audra Dinnell: Mm. And that's what I think resonated so much with our team.

Mm. So you referenced a workshop We're doing, we're hosting an A workshop for our alum, and I love that this is being used in corporate [00:12:00] settings. It feels like a very soft and deep tool for the corporate world. And I think that's beautiful for companies that are open to that. And we are hosting a workshop for our alum in early 2026, but I think that's what probably resonated with our team the most.

Just that, that self trust, like this is a tool to help you look at yourself, you know, get a better knowing of, I don't know. What would you say around energy? I feel like I'm not using the right words because this is so not my world, but yeah, it's like I am, I don't know.

Ashley Watkins: Yeah, I think it's tapping into where you feel most energized and where.

You know, it's how to use your energy best. We don't all have the same energy, you know, different types that's gonna look different. It's, paying attention to what catches your interest and then how do you decide if that's right for you?

Audra Dinnell: Yes. That's

Ashley Watkins: the basis.

Audra Dinnell: Yes. Okay. And [00:13:00] that's what I think I was trying to say because I've learned in like the neurodivergent world, that type of stuff is very important.

What do y'all think?

Kristen Selby: As Ashley was just explaining it, I wonder, the way I'm kind of framing it and Ashley tell me if this is right or wrong or something else, but, you know, at the thread we do a lot of assessments that are kind of, data driven, science driven.

So it's like the strengths finder pi. So things that feel maybe more tangible and we can, like s. see it, but what appeals to me about human design is, like Audra was saying, it's softer and it's, you know, especially women, we know we have this inner knowing, but there's kind of like this question mark around that, right?

Where it's like, well, I know it's there, but how do I use it and how does it, carry the same weight as all of these other things that I know to be true about myself.

Ashley Watkins: Yeah.

Kendra Moody: The thing for me that was so interesting is, Ashley, to your point, every time I take an [00:14:00] assessment, I always wonder, okay, am I answering how I truly am, how I want to be, how I need to be in this certain season of life?

And so there's always a component in the back of my mind like. Is this truly me? And I always think, oh, my results are so boring. I wish I was more like X or Y. And so it was so neat for this like, I can't change my time of birth, my place of birth. So this truly felt like, okay, this is who I am. And it was interesting to see how so many components of this. Run true through the other assessments that we've taken. And so I see like, I love systems. I've known that that comes up in every single assessment. And so it really, truly does give me permission, I think, to lean into those spaces and not worry is this truly me or is this just how I answered the questions [00:15:00] on that specific day?

Yes.

Kristen Selby: And I think as we debriefed as a team, actually like transparently, we were like, gosh, it was a little uncomfortable knowing that we couldn't, these are not things that we can change or work on because we're used to all of the assessments where it's like, Hey, I can tap into any strengths on the strength finder.

But here, we're locked in. And I love that you gave us permission to take what serves us and leave the rest, because I think that's the goal of. Self-assessment in general is you have all of these toolkits and you're just pulling from what feels true and to you. But yeah, that was an interesting part, for our team to know that, on any given day, I can't manipulate these results.

Ashley Watkins: Yeah. And a few things came up while you were talking. So first of all, Kendra so friend of the pod, Christie Windish. Yeah. You know, she does the true compass, which I think is, similar to this in that. It's like you take it at 18, it's not gonna change when you're 80. Like it's not based on that kind of self-selection.

And she and I have talked [00:16:00] about her human design and she was really interested to see the overlap there. So I think that's interesting too of like, that is a, you know, a bear of an assessment. So useful, so much good information, but really more rooted in kind of the data and this. But I thought it was interesting that she pointed out the, the similarities and then, you know, to your point, Kristen, it's like, yeah, and, and that's what I love about, like, you start with the, the big three here that we're talking about today, and then there's so much more that continues to inform, but really like living the big three and feeling that those resonate with you. However, you know whatever you're gonna take from that, then the rest of it just flows more easily and becomes more meaningful.

As you get into some of these other parts that I'll mention in a little bit, when we. Wrap up.

Audra Dinnell: Okay. So three things. We have a podcast episode with Kristi Windish. We'll link that in the show notes. Great one, if you are interested in hearing more about the aptitude work that she does. Number two, if you have not taken your human [00:17:00] design assessment, it's very quick and easy just using basic information that you likely already know about yourself.

I'm gonna have you pause right now, and Ashley's gonna tell you where you can go to take this assessment, because then we're gonna start getting into what she's talking about when she talks about the big three, starting with types. So Ashley, where can they. Go to figure out what their human design is.

Ashley Watkins: Yeah, so lots of places, but I would say Erin Claire Jones site human design blueprint.com. She gives a nice free overview. You can see your chart. I like how she puts it together. You'll get a little manifesto, which kind of sums it all up, and then you can dive deeper in that if you want to.

Audra Dinnell: And we'll link that also in the show notes. So let's get into it.

The Big Three in Human Design
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Audra Dinnell: Tell us about the big three. Yeah, so we'll

Ashley Watkins: start with type. So generators are gonna be about 36% of the population. So I'm a generator. Kristen, Audra you all are generators. And these are our people [00:18:00] that are really gifted at bringing ideas to life.

Could be their idea, could be someone else's. They are here to inspire others. They are. Just gonna get in there and complete those tasks so skillfully you know, really getting in there and making sure that those details are taken care of and really good at mastering a chosen field or field. So, kind of meant to kind of stick with things to become.

You know, masterful, our manifesting generators, they're definitely similarities between generators and manifesting generators. The manifesting generators are about 30% of the population. They are more of like a multi hyphenate type of person, so probably multi-passionate. They're really gonna show up and invigorate other people with that enthusiasm that they have.

They're good at making things happen fast. They can skip steps a lot of the time and sort of pivoting, so they're meant to pivot. So if you're a manifesting generator, you don't just stick with [00:19:00] things because, well, I, I'm doing this for too long. That's okay. You can give yourself permission to pivot.

Projectors are about 23% of the population. So they're really gifted at seeing the big picture. Mastering systems. This is Kendra. Yes. Making people feel seen, asking the right questions and leading. I've very lucky to have. Many projectors in my life and their energy is, is just really special. Okay. So Manifesters, 10% of the population. So I have a manifester in my life. I feel like these are people that show up and they really can create out of thin air, so they can really get new ideas off the ground.

They're showing up authentically. They're gonna forge paths, challenge norms, be the first to get somewhere and really know how to provoke other people in productive ways. So Martha Stewart is a manifester. And then finally reflectors 1% of the population. Reflectors are really rare. I, [00:20:00] I don't know any reflectors.

A famous reflector who I did not know much about, but Rosalyn Carter, so Jimmy Carter's wife and we'll talk about kind of what she did, but they're good at kind of feeling into situations, seeing them in ways that other people can't. Reflecting back to you, what's happening in your community, in your space, and being a really good objective observer with.

Really profound insights. So something I learned about Rosalyn Carter is she did a lot during Jimmy Carter's presidency with mental health and kind of de-stigmatizing it. So I thought that seemed appropriate of like being able to sort of see that struggle and approach it objectively and being able to,

Audra Dinnell: you know, make some change there.

So that was five types. Yeah. So you're one of the five types, and that's a quick overview of what each type. Is, yeah, I mean, just like a brief, brief overview. Yeah. So what does it look like? I mean, just starting with types. I know we talked about [00:21:00] the big three, but just starting with type, is that a good place to just start?

Yeah, I think so. I think that's where you wanna start to really understand

Ashley Watkins: yourself

Audra Dinnell: and tell us about what it looks like when people start to live in alignment with their type versus when they're not. You shared a little bit about your story, but like what. What other stories do you have or successes, like why should someone take this quiz?

Look at their type. Yeah. What kind of alignments have you seen?

Ashley Watkins: Okay. So I think a good place to start with your type you know, if you're kind of living that. An easy check-in is the self and the not self signature. So every type, all five are gonna have that. Again, generators, manifesting generators, there's gonna be some similarities.

So both of those, their self signature is satisfaction. So for me, I know I'm kind of living in alignment when I go to bed at night and I feel tired in a really good way. I've used up my energy in ways that are satisfying [00:22:00] in all different parts, whether that's at home, at work, with relationships, et cetera.

And then the not sell for both of those is frustration. You're feeling like you're really running up against walls. Things aren't going, you know that, I kind of alluded to that in the classroom when I was trying to sort of create solutions for my students out of thin air. I just felt frustrated all the time and like almost like somewhat resentful and I was like, this isn't, this isn't right.

This isn't how I'm usually showing up. So it was a good, that's a good like quick. Check in. And then manifesting generators also have the additional not self signature of anger. So frustration, anger you know, maybe feeling some anger at maybe some of the people in their life or situations. So those are good ways to kind of quickly check in for projectors, their self signature is success.

And Kendra, you had a good question about this. And so to clarify, it's not necessarily like success and maybe.

Understanding Projector Energy and Self-Signature
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Ashley Watkins: Some of the typical ways we would say, but I would say for a projector because their energy is so special, and that's kind of how they're meant [00:23:00] to really be judicious and where they give their energy.

Feeling that your value is acknowledged and appreciated is sort of like, that's like the heart of success. And then the not self is bitterness. So just feeling like. You're kind of looking maybe like some blame of others or just feeling again, not appreciated, I think is maybe an easy way to explain that.

Manifestors and Reflectors: Self-Signature and Not-Self
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Ashley Watkins: And then for Manifestors, their self signature is piece, so I would say that shows up as like. Feeling like there's minimal resistance when they're trying to kind of get those ideas off the ground. And the not self is anger, so feeling disempowered like they can't kind of make those things happen, which is what they're here to do.

And then finally for reflectors, you know, reflectors are interesting because they can show up in a lot of different ways. So it's really important for reflectors to align themselves with the right spaces and the right people. And when they do that, that [00:24:00] self signature is surprise. So they feel. Delighted at what's coming out of their work or curious about the people in their space versus the not self, which is Disappointment. And that's usually a good indication that maybe you just need to take a look at the spaces and the people you're surrounding yourself with.

Personal Reflections on Human Design
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Kendra Moody: I thought it was so interesting. This was when we dove into this and my not self signature was bitterness that felt very raw. And real. It's interesting because I noticed that in me and it's almost kind of freeing to be like, okay, well this is part of my human design.

And instead of thinking, what's wrong with me? Why am I acting this way? This relationship must not be good for me. This situation mu whatever it is. Understanding that, okay, that might be because I'm not. Living in my class or in my projector space, like I [00:25:00] might not, it's not that anything's wrong, but this allowed me to do more self-examination rather than make something up where there might not be anything to make up.

Ashley Watkins: Yeah. And when you dive deeper in some of the other aspects of human design, I think you hit on something really important, which is that when we talk about these not self, it's not about. Cutting people out. Yeah. Or like finding a whole new group. But it is, first of all, checking in with yourself. Mm-hmm.

Just like you said. Yeah.

Audra Dinnell: Well, and I think it's like a flag. That's what mm-hmm. When you were talking for Sure. It was Okay. It's a flag for you when you are feeling bitter, when Kristen and I as generators and Ashley are feeling angry. That's just a, that's data, that is information that our body is giving us to check

Kendra Moody: in.

Right. Like instead of ruminating on it and just Dwelling in the bitter. Being like, wait a second, this is part of this, so why like, exploring the root cause of it, or maybe why, if I'm living out of [00:26:00] alignment, maybe that's why I'm feeling bitter, not because I'm a bitter person.

Audra Dinnell: Yeah,

Kendra Moody: yeah.

Audra Dinnell: Or you're not an

Kendra Moody: angry person.

Right.

Audra Dinnell: You know?

Kendra Moody: Yeah. Until my kids don't get outta the house

Audra Dinnell: in the morning.

Kendra Moody: Right,

Audra Dinnell: right. Those are, those are

Kendra Moody: different

Audra Dinnell: circumstances. Right. Right. That's neither here nor there. Right. I think that's what. What started to make human design click a little bit. I have so much to to learn and it's fun to dive into, but I think that's what made it click for me is when I learned how I could just do that, that check-in to make it feel tactical, because alignment is one of those things, right?

It's not data-driven. It is more of a feeling. It is totally subjective, but I think that word alignment. We all aim to live lives that feel aligned to our values, who we are, what we want to give to this world. And so I feel like going from the type onto this lens is when it started to feel like, oh, that's tactical for me.

Yeah.

Exploring Strategy and Authority in Human Design
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Audra Dinnell: So tell us about the other, we talked about the first [00:27:00] one of the big three. What are the other two of the big three?

Ashley Watkins: Yeah, so we talked about type and then the other two pieces are strategy and authority. So our type again is how do we best use our energy and respect that and guard it and all those things.

And then our strategy helps us to align with the right opportunities, so the right opportunities showing up in our world, and then authority helps us make the decisions about which of those opportunities we want to pursue. And so, you know, for example I would say like in my life. I like to just weirdly like look at LinkedIn and just look at jobs and just apply for jobs.

Even if I'm like, now, even when I'm doing, I'm just like, it's just fun. Let me just apply for a job. It's, I don't know why. And then sometimes, you know, you get an interview and, and then you go through and things like that. So I've had a couple of different experiences [00:28:00] where and I would say this is an example of where maybe I've tried to brush off.

Maybe especially the authority piece. So I'm, I'm doing, you know, I'm, waiting to respond, which is my strategy. I'm looking and I'm just letting things come to me, say, oh, I'm gonna apply for that. Then I apply and I get into what is the job actually entail and, you know, this doesn't really seem like something I would like, but it seems like I should just do it and just know that I can.

And all these things. And ignoring that gut response, which is flashing at me and saying, you, okay, you did it. You got to do the application. That was fun. Now this isn't, this isn't the thing. This isn't the time. You know, versus like, when I first heard about coaching and was trying to decide what coaching opportunity or what coaching program to go into and, you know, did my research and got recommendations and kind of looked and saw what showed up when I did the research and then did little informational calls with [00:29:00] each of those programs to kind of see and.

I knew I had found the right one when I was talking to the gal and she didn't really know anything about me, and she quoted the Wizard of Oz to me and my gut was like, yes, this is the one. And it was, it was like perfectly aligned with what I wanted to do with students and things like that. So,

Applying Human Design in Real Life
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Audra Dinnell: so of this strategy, you mentioned yours is way to respond.

What other strategies are available and can are? Different types, matched with different strategies like your big three, can they be basically like a smorgasbord of like people's charts can look totally different? Or do generators have a certain strategy, projectors have a certain strategy.

Can you explain those two things? Yeah,

Different Strategies for Different Types
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Ashley Watkins: so every type has the same strategy. So all generators will have a wait to respond. So that is wait to respond to what shows up in your world. That doesn't mean passive and you're just waiting. You know, it can be something you see on social media, something someone mentions to you, a book you read, a podcast you listen to.

So that's why it's good for us as [00:30:00] generators to, you know, just pay attention to where we're at and if you're feeling like you're not getting inspiration, maybe shake things up and go to some different places or see a friend you haven't seen in a while. And then manifesting generators are also going to be, wait to respond. And also an informed piece. So same piece, but they also can have a little bit more luck if they just like keep the people close to them in the loop. Like, this is what I'm doing, or this is what I'm thinking about. Projectors are gonna be wait to be invited. So they actually need to wait for the actual invitation.

Like an actual spoken invitation. This is most important when they're gonna be giving their energy. So in career partnership, anywhere they're collaborating, manifestors are the different one in that they are designed to initiate and inform so they can kind of come up with things out of thin air.

And then still though, kind of keeping people closest to them in the loop is where they're going to have, the best [00:31:00] results.

Wait to be invited and initiated. There we go. I knew it was a longer one. So that one is again, so what makes somebody a reflector is, again, we can get like so in the weeds with this, but when you look at your human design chart, you've got all these shapes and some of them are gonna be colored in and some of them are white for a reflector.

They're all white. What that means in a simple way is they're influenced by others' energy, and they don't necessarily show up in one consistent way or one with one consistent energy. It kind of depends on who they're surrounded with. So for their strategy of waiting to be invited and initiated is we hear that same piece as with projectors.

So getting that invitation and then just really making sure that those spaces and those people feel good.

Audra Dinnell: I think about when you say this Kendra's corporate career and how as a projector you. Did wait to be invited into multiple different roles. Mm-hmm. And had huge success. Yeah. At what you were doing and it was a total wait to be invited strategy that you didn't know you were deploying.

Kendra Moody: [00:32:00] Right. Like I never put myself out there for any other role. It was always are, will you take this next opportunity? Will you do this? And I even feel like for us, when we had our first initial conversation, I think I asked you for coffee to talk about what it. it looks like leaving one career and trying to start something different.

Mm-hmm. And then you, we started to have the conversation about what it could look like, me coming onto the team, but I don't think I would have like firmly initiated that. I think it was like feeling the waters, but I don't realize, I don't think I realized that's what I was doing.

Audra Dinnell: Yeah. And it was like your idea as we were talking and as I was saying.

Just in conversation. This wasn't even what we were meant to go to coffee about. Mm-hmm. But it was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna expand my team. Here's who I'm thinking about. And then I remember you just being like, well, I'd like to be considered. Yeah. And me being like, oh my gosh. Yeah. But it took a year for sure.

Like to, for me and the business to be at a place where it's like I [00:33:00] could invite you. And I think I about

Kendra Moody: vomited when I said that, just 'cause that's not normally like. Hey me, pick

Ashley Watkins: me. Like that's not my normal, like my comfort zone. Well, and that is, I think you hit on something that I was thinking about after we first talked that I didn't really say, which is that it doesn't have to be passive.

It can definitely be as a projector, you let people know what you're working on, what you're interested in. Yeah. But that's a good point because it can feel. Not like comfortable. Erin Claire Jones is a projector and she talks about her story with how she ended up married to her husband was they were sort of in the circles, friends, and then all of a sudden she was like, whoa, I wanna be more than friends.

But she knew she needed to be, you know, wait for that invitation. But she got together. She's like, Hey, I just wanna let you know this is how I feel. I'm gonna let you kind of, ruminate on that. And then he did and came back and then there we go. Fun. So putting yourself out there, there's nothing wrong with that, but sometimes, [00:34:00] yeah, you have to push past that uncomfortability that may be innate, which I think is almost like a protection.

It's helping you make sure you the right opportunities are coming. But that's where I think to your point of like, this is baked into us, but we can still grow.

Kristen Selby: And it's so good for us as a team to know that, because then when, you know, when Kendra comes, you know, to us mm-hmm. With an idea, or Hey, should we do this?

Like, we know that that takes a lot more of her energy than it might for Audra and I. Yes. And, and maybe weight that a little bit differently than, you know, all the different ideas that we might be. Bring it to the table. I know. Never brings ideas. Ideas. I don't understand what talking about. She's a table.

Totally offended, blindsided. I know. What,

Authority Types and Decision Making
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Audra Dinnell: Okay, so let's talk quickly about the last of the big three authority.

Ashley Watkins: Okay, so there are seven different authorities. I won't say them all. Mostly if you, 'cause a lot of us are generators, manifesting generators. It's gonna be [00:35:00] sacral or emotional. So the sacral I've talked about, it's that gut feeling.

It could be a verbal uhhuh versus Uhuh. Leaning in physically versus out. You know, I know to check in if I find myself rationalizing. I kinda gave the example of, of the jobs I can rationally, I, I'm good at rationalizing, so try to try to avoid that and, and check in on when that's happening. The emotional authority is another one that comes up a lot.

That's the most common one. And that is very simply. And Ara and Kristen, you both have that. It's like the sleep on it, about 24 hours. My stepdaughter has this, authority. And she was coming to look at a house and we were with her and we were all getting really excited and she was like, I'm so excited.

I think I wanna buy this house. And then she went home and slept on it and she was like, no, I don't. And she and I have talked about that and kind of using that and leaning into that and that that's okay. Kendra, yours is the self projected, which is processing by saying out loud, like you're not asking for advice, but you are letting yourself hear how it sounds.

So I was just talking to a friend who has [00:36:00] this authority. The other day she was trying to decide how to approach a conversation with someone, and I just let her talk, like I did not say much. And then by the end she was like, oh, I'm hearing myself and it's not the right time to have this conversation. So it was cool to see that in action.

Kendra Moody: I feel like this is where our voice texts, we voice text a lot as a team. And so there are so many times where it's like, Hey, I just need to process. So yeah, it can, it does, it works. Can be voice

Audra Dinnell: memos can be journaling. Yeah, for sure. Thank goodness it works.

Right, exactly. Because it really works. Okay, so that brings me to the.

Team Dynamics and Human Design
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Audra Dinnell: Collective energy or information that you got about us as a team, and I can see how this is how human design translates into corporate settings or business settings because we've all shared a little bit of our takeaways individually as we have been having this conversation, but you were actually able to run.

Our charts together as [00:37:00] a team. So Ashley, can you talk about that for a little bit?

Ashley Watkins: Yeah. So that's where we get a little bit deeper into some of the other things, but I think, you know what stood out to me when I was kind of telling you about each other, lots of nodding. When you were hearing each other's descriptions and your owns.

And then I really liked too, how you were able to provide clarity to each other. Mm-hmm. Of like, Audra would have a question, well, I'm not sure what this, like, I don't know about me being step by step and then. Kristen was able to sort of give an example that, you know, resonated a little more. So I think that whenever you do, like I've done things with couples or with teams it's not just about like the charts, but it's also being able to talk about, oh, this means this, this, that I'm learning about you means this to me and this is how I see it show up.

And that just gives us more insight into ourselves.

Deep Dive into Human Design Charts
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Ashley Watkins: You know, I think we talked a lot about like your centers and your channels, which are not really something we're talking about today, but like those really have to do those go a little bit deeper with energy and how [00:38:00] we show up. I think the coolest thing to me that I saw were when you all are together, so we have these, we each have a human design chart, again, the shapes and there's lines and all these things that look kind of funky.

But lots of great information there. When I took your three together and kind of layered them, the channels that you have as a team. So a channel is just really kind of helping us understand. A little more deeply of how we are meant to show up in the world and the gifts that we bring to the spaces that we're in and your team channels.

So when all three of you're together we're beauty marketing and ambition and to me that's the thread. Yeah. You know, it's what you are providing to the community that you work with and your alums and all that.

Audra Dinnell: I just thought that was really, fun to hear, you know, of course like it was positive, so we were like, oh, yay.

We love that.

Kendra Moody: But I feel like we feel that, yes, we've always said, you know, just the, the way the three of us work together and how we show up it, [00:39:00] we feel it. And so to almost put some scientific. Definition behind it. It's like, okay, we're not just like loving on each other, we truly are for the work that we do.

This is the right team. This is the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm. So good. Okay. It goes deeper than liking each other.

Audra Dinnell: Yes. I love that. Any other takeaways as we wanna share as we close up?

Conclusion and Further Resources
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Audra Dinnell: Okay, Ashley, this is a tool that I'm excited about. I feel like we have just barely skimmed the surface and people can deep dive into this as you did for years and learn more. So there was a lot of information on this episode. You know, we tried to have Ashley break it down as simply as possible.

But it sounds like, you know, just start by learning your chart and even just start with the first type, and that's a place where there can be some learning. However, for those who. Are really interested in this. Where can they go to find you [00:40:00] and connect with you on potentially going deeper?

Ashley Watkins: So my website is just Ashley Watkins coaching.com and you can find information. So I do a longer intro session when with somebody who maybe doesn't know that much about their chart or, you know, is looking for that overview and that's about an hour. And then diving deeper with 30 minute coaching sessions.

So that can either be diving deeper into places in the chart. 'cause there's so much to, to look at. And the more you live those big three, the more important the rest of it is and the more it feels resonant. And then those can also be around, you know, where's places you're feeling stuck.

You know, I mentioned career, self-care, relationships. Those are the big ones that I hear. I worked with a gal recently who, her authority is based on her intuition, which is a very quiet authority. And she's like, I feel my intuition all the time.

I hear it, it's quiet, it tells me what to do. But she's like, I feel like it's been so stifled by the people [00:41:00] around me my whole life. I don't trust it. Hmm. And so, based on how we're conditioned, you know. This, when you first look at things, it may not feel that much like you or you may say what? So I think those are the benefit of those two things of just like try to like gather some information ahead of time and then look at specific places so it doesn't get so overwhelming, but specific places on the chart where this can maybe give you some clarity on that piece that you're looking at.

Hmm.

Audra Dinnell: Awesome. Okay, we're gonna link your website in the show notes. Thank you for being here today. We're excited to dive further into this with our alum in the new year. Thank you for listening to this episode, and if this type of content is resonating with you, we produce it every single Monday.

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