A LOT with Audra

Kelly Crab
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Audra Dinell: [00:01:00] Hey there. Welcome to another episode of a Lot with Audra. I'm so excited to talk to today's guest. Kelly Jackson Crab writes about growth in all its messy forms, courage, second, chances, loss, and even dahlias. A former photographer turned writer, she believes in Brave Starts and the messy beauty of blooming right where you are.

Kelly lives in Kansas City where the garden, much like her home, is a little wild and always full of stories beyond the bloom, is her debut book Proof that Good things really can grow from Chaos. Kelly, welcome to the podcast.

Kelly Crabb: Thanks A,

Audra Dinell: I'm so happy to have you. Good to see you. I

Kelly Crabb: Yeah,

Audra Dinell: so fun. Fact, Kelly was head of community for our thread Casey chapter, so we got to know each other before you were a published author.

Kelly Crabb: that's very true.

Audra Dinell: I was tracking our relationship through the book [00:02:00] and thinking back to the little snippets you had told me, you know, during getting to know each other about your gardening experience and just, I don't know, having a full body glow while reading this us.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah, it's interesting because we started working together the year that I started my Cup Flower Garden.

Audra Dinell: Yes,

Kelly Crabb: yeah.

Audra Dinell: and I didn't, you know, at the time, the focus was what we were building

Kelly Crabb: Mm-hmm.

Audra Dinell: in Kansas City, so I loved seeing that. That was the exact time, you know, you were experimenting in the garden.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah. Yeah. That's fun.

Brave Starts Quote
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Audra Dinell: Okay, so I'm gonna start us off today by reading a quote from the end of the book that I feel like.

Just spoke to me so much and that is this. Kelly writes, there's something profound waiting for you in your beginning. In your brave yes to joy. We are not meant to measure life only by [00:03:00] productivity, as if efficiency were the highest good. We are meant to feel wonder and to chase curiosity, to even just try things simply because they make us come alive.

Even if we're bad at them or if no one else understands. Yes, even if they cost us something. Curiosity is not a weed to be plucked. It's a seed of possibility waiting to be tended. I loved this book so much and I was telling you before we jumped on and started recording that I feel like this podcast is my garden.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: It's my thing. Maybe not with a five year plan or a strong end goal or metrics that I heavily track, but a thing that tugs at me.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah, I, I am a big advocate for women kind of zeroing in on those things that are tugging at them [00:04:00] and encouraging them. Just to start, I think there's too many reasons that people. Sit on the sidelines, think that they're not ready. They wanna get everything figured out. They don't think they're worthy of the space.

They don't, you know, fill in the blank. But I have discovered the older I get that you just in and figure it out as you go along, there's so much joy be discovered. So good for you, Audra.

Audra Dinell: Well, good for you too, starting your garden. Okay.

What Beyond the Bloom Is
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Audra Dinell: So for listeners who have not read your book, who are new to your work, how would you describe Beyond the Bloom in your own words?

Kelly Crabb: I love this question I have been saying for a long time. It is not actually a gardening book. I think a lot of people don't pick it up because they think it is a gardening book and obviously it's set in a garden. But I like to say that it's part memoir, part pep talk.

Audra Dinell: Mm-hmm.

Kelly Crabb: And that the garden is the launch point for a lot of stories that hopefully [00:05:00] any person, gardener or otherwise can connect with and see themselves in somehow some way.

Audra Dinell: Yeah. I really like how you connected so many moments in the garden to lessons that you had learned in your life, and you really just played with those analogies and. This was a book I wanted to savor because I was like, so many lessons, like I just wanna soak them all in. So I think you just did a beautiful job of sharing your story through the lens of the garden, but it did feel exactly like a pep talk to me.

Kelly Crabb: I am so glad to hear that. I really want everybody to read it and I don't, I need to figure out how to market it to non Gardner, so if you have any ideas, guys, lemme know

Audra Dinell: Okay. We listen, you know, I like a good brainstorming session so I can shoot ideas right and left. But yeah, I, just love this. I really, really love this book so much. And you know, when your friends write books [00:06:00] right? You know, you're like, I'm gonna buy you because I love you. So what a delight to be captured by it.

Kelly Crabb: Hmm.

Audra Dinell: You might not know this about me, but I am a very, very, very, very amateur gardener. I wouldn't even call myself gardener more just like have been dabbling in my front beds and posting some things on Instagram about how much I've killed just randomly. And so I didn't know most of the gardening references in the book, but I know how hard it is just from my little entry point to gardening.

I also would say this is not a book about gardening.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah. Yeah. and that's how I started too, and I'm still killing things, so it's part of the fun.

Audra Dinell: Three years in, are you? Four years in now?

Kelly Crabb: Well, I mean, I'm for, this is my fourth year now with an official cut flower garden, which is. 800 square feet of my yard filled with dahlias and cosmos and all sorts of things that you intentionally grow to cut and [00:07:00] put in a vase. But I've been dabbling in my yard with my landscaping beds and learning for years before that. So four years as a cut flower gardener.

Audra Dinell: Okay. I didn't even really know the difference between that.

Why She Wrote It
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Audra Dinell: So what was happening in your life that made you realize this book needed to come into the world?

Kelly Crabb: I think I try to live life with this vision statement, which is that I want my life to be endless pursuit of curiosity.

Audra Dinell: Hmm.

Kelly Crabb: I just don't want to get stuck in rote rhythmic processes that feel lifeless and Not exciting. I want to be challenging myself. I want new and fresh and I want my brain to be engaged in different ways.

So, I had actually gone to college and got a communications degree with an emphasis in journalism. And when I graduated I [00:08:00] thought maybe I was gonna go into advertising. I was the editor of my high school newspaper. I just. Like words and I love stories and I think for a long time as I was a photographer, I would be on my, be on my Instagram account, trying to tell stories about my clients and why these pictures were significant. And I would tie in little life antics and antidotes and things, and people would say, I can't wait to read your book one day. And it just became this repetitive message that was coming at me that I just kind of put in the back of my brain and said. Maybe one day. I think there was something about turning 50 and feeling like maybe I finally had enough hindsight to offer perspective and life learned.

And so I was out in the garden and doing this thing again where I was just diving in and doing something and people kept saying, I wish I was as brave as you are. [00:09:00] Like you're always trying new things. Nothing ever really gets in your way. And I started wondering why people felt that way what is it that's different about me, that I feel fearless in just the approach to a new thing that other people sometimes feel hesitance towards. And I decided to start writing. I didn't know if it was gonna become anything, honestly. I mean, even up until the 11th hour, right before I published it, I was like, I don't know, is this even worth anybody's time?

Audra Dinell: Hmm.

Kelly Crabb: but I did it.

Audra Dinell: You did it and it's a beautiful work out in the world, and I love that. That's so much of what you talk about in the book when you. Say it was a pep talk. You know, it's a pep talk for people to follow what makes them feel alive. It's a pep talk for people to believe in themselves and their worth [00:10:00] and that they have that dream in their heart for something.

So I love that it was sort of that for you that brought the book into the world.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah. Yeah. And I, I just think there's too much waiting, right. There's a thousand things that are gonna pull your attention. The shoulds, the coulds, and like you just, there's so much to be done. But I am starting to really help people try to believe that they have agency and that they can create a life that they love and that doesn't have to be down the road.

That can happen now.

Audra Dinell: Hmm.

Curiosity Versus Distraction
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Audra Dinell: So as a person with curiosity in her mission statement for life, how do you use discernment to decide what might be a distraction? What just might be the next hit of dopamine

Kelly Crabb: Mm-hmm.

Audra Dinell: and what's an actual breadcrumb?

Kelly Crabb: Yeah. I mean, I don't always have that figured out. I'm a little. A DD like the average perimenopausal woman [00:11:00] living in 2026 right now. So, there's a lot of things that demand my attention or catch my attention, but I, I do think that there's something like I tell a story in the book about on our way home from our 10 year anniversary trip to Spain, I stumbled upon a docuseries by Aaron Zaca, a Floret flower in the Pacific Northwest. And when I had an emotive response, like I was bawling like a baby, watching this first episode, I was like, this is something bigger than a, maybe I should grow flowers. This was like a definite pull that I shouldn't have ignored. So I think that there's mean, I don't cry about everything, I kind of paid attention to that. I'm also a big believer that if it doesn't work out, start again. Try something else. know, nobody's gonna die because I'm planting flowers, [00:12:00] so there's not a whole lot to lose. Right. So.

Audra Dinell: You know, when I worked in marketing, I had an out of office message that my boss would tolerate, and it was something like. This is an emergency. You need to call 9 1 1 because I work for a marketing agency, like no one will die from a marketing emergency. So that just, that makes me giggle. I love also that this came out in alignment with you turning 50.

This, for me, the first season of the podcast was just play experimenting. Do I like this? Enough to stick with it and produce something 52 times in one year. That consistency, do I like it enough? And then the second season is all about a shift. I'm turning 40 in a few months. And so I do think there's just something significant [00:13:00] around big milestones like that that make us rethink or look at.

The timeline and just wanna go for it,

Kelly Crabb: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: not wait anymore.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah.

Pressure to Always Bloom
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Audra Dinell: So what do you think we lose when we tie our worth to being in bloom all the time? There's a chapter in the book that you very specifically speak about. You're talking about seasons and the pressure to always be in bloom.

Kelly Crabb: Mm-hmm.

Audra Dinell: we lose? When we have that mindset.

Kelly Crabb: I think we lose our humanity honestly. I think I've been spending a lot of time out in nature the last several years and I've been paying attention to you know, maybe this is just me getting older. This is maybe Brian, you're gonna have to probably edit this out a little bit. Sorry. I think even nature [00:14:00] itself doesn't bloom. the time. I don't live in San Diego, so I can't speak to the, the truth of that in like perfect conditions. But you know, here in the Midwest, you know, the, the leaves fall and they, they, you know, trees go dormant. Plants have a season where they are at rest. And so the fact that we as human beings think that we have to operate differently than that, I think is really interesting. You know, when I travel internationally and I see. Other cultures of people who s who value rest in the middle of the afternoon, where they'll take a siesta, like an entire town will shut down in Italy. And it's just the way it is. I, I question a lot about how we've been, do, been indoctrinated here in America to believe that we always have to be productive and that that is what makes time valuable is what you do with it.

I go out to my garden and I watch. Flowers do things in their [00:15:00] own way, in their own time. I cannot force any of them to do something other than what is hardwired into their makeup. And they, they're waiting for the perfect temperature to sprout or they're if they get too much rain or they. Too much heat, like they're gonna respond to that. But we just feel as human beings that we have to plow through and just continue to be at optimum performance level at all times. And it's just not true. It's not, and you know, I, we could talk about this for days, but I feel like I've learned a lot about just, you know, flowers need rest. need a season to root before we bloom. We need. The structure of what's underneath to hold us while we are at our peak bloom. And if we rush through that process, a lot of times something's gonna suffer as a result.

Audra Dinell: Hmm. My [00:16:00] husband and I were just talking this morning over coffee. We're getting ready to go visit Hawaii and we absolutely loved living there. A thing that I missed while living there was the seasons. There is one season in Hawaii, there is a maybe like five degree dip in temperature during that season, winter.

And I was just kinda asking him his thoughts about, you know, what, what did he think about that sort of seasonality. Forever summer versus here, because I've been really getting into like seasonal living and reading books on winter, and I personally love the seasons. I need that change. I need that freshness.

And so for the first time this winter, I feel like I have really, it's been coming for several winters, but this winter I was like, no. Like I am. I am wintering, like I am taking all the time. I [00:17:00] need to do whatever. I am not hustling myself and I am not setting goals on January one.

Goals and Cultivating Life
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Audra Dinell: Speaking of goals, in this thought, I'm curious, what do you think about goals in this light of like sort of exploring and being curious and.

Following the magic of what can happen versus like setting a goal and working towards it.

Kelly Crabb: I mean, I still set goals and work towards 'em. Like I, I was like, I'm gonna publish this book by the end of the

Audra Dinell: Mm-hmm.

Kelly Crabb: so I also had told my editor and writing coach, if I'm pushing this and it's not ready, you have to intervene because I can get a little at times. But at the same point. You know, I, I think I'm learning through this process that alignment is more important to me. And when I'm in place where I'm set up [00:18:00] for optimal growth as a human, that things are gonna happen as a result, fruit will come, blooms will bear be, you know. Make their way into the world. a lot of times you don't have to strive for that quite as much.

Like I'm a big firm believer in cultivating the life that you're living, right? So, when I first set out to grow this garden, I had to get rid of rocks. I had to. Till up some ground and make sure it was nutrient rich. I needed to make sure I had all of these things in place before I even put a seed in the ground. And, you know, if I would've ignored all that, yes, some would have grown, but they just weren't really set up for that kind of success. So I think I've learned it is more about cultivating that space so that you can naturally just kind of become.

Letting Go of Shoulds
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Audra Dinell: If someone's listening and they're [00:19:00] like, how do I apply that cultivation process to my life? What would you. Share.

Kelly Crabb: I, again, I'm 50, so I I have, can I say fewer Fs to give on this podcast

Audra Dinell: can say it.

Kelly Crabb: I have fewer Fs to give and I. I have started become a little, becoming a little bit more ruthless about how I spend my time and where I allocate my energy. I think used to live in other decades past feeling like I should fill in the blank. I should invest in this friendship. We've been friends for decades. I should, you know, I mean, we could go on for all the days with all the shoulds, but I've started just saying, does that really matter? Is that really important to me? And all of a sudden when you start tearing away the things that aren't as important to you that you're doing just because you feel like you should, all of a sudden you have space and time and energy to allocate to other things.

And I'm not saying dump all [00:20:00] the people in your life that you've ever known and you know, go do whatever you want. But I am, I am a big believer now that I'm older to say what friendships really are life giving. Is is this hobby of mine that used to be super important to me. Something that I still wanna be giving energy to. I have so many friends in my life who are like away from their hard nosed CrossFit classes and waking up at O Dark 30 in the morning. 'cause they're starting to value rest. And then they have energy to go on walks with their friends and like, they're just, they're, you're able to. Just, and move accordingly as your needs as a human shift. I am not raising babies, so those of the people at home are like, I have something hanging on me at all times. Right now. I'm in a different season than that, and unfortunately never got to experience that for myself. My kids came at five and 10. But I mean, I, I watch my husband every day. He [00:21:00] wakes up at 5 45 to go downstairs to paint before he goes to work. an artist. Been an architect by day

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Kelly Crabb: and he, he's like, I'm gonna feed my soul every morning

Audra Dinell: Mm.

Kelly Crabb: I go into the office. And it takes a lot to like choose to wake up do that. You know, a lot of times he'd rather just hit the snooze alarm and keep going, but he's like, I have a choice and this is how I want to start my day.

And I think when people start getting creative, trying to think through can I cultivate my life to be what I want it to be? Maybe it means leaving a job. You don't. Love anymore. Maybe it means starting the business finally. Maybe it means, you know, it's not like it's gonna be effortless, but it's, it's, it's going to become more of what you want if you it intentionally.

Okay.

Audra Dinell: Mm. So, what surprised you most about who you became after letting go of some of those shoulds?

Kelly Crabb: I am, I think, a lot more introverted than [00:22:00] people. I'm very outgoing in a room full of people, I dunno a stranger. I wanna get to know everybody, but I feel exhausted by it and I go home and need downtime. don't think I'd ever picked up on that before because I was single.

And when I got married and had kids and had all these demands relationally at home, I would leave a social setting, come home and have people who still needed me. And I was like, oh. That I don't have enough energy for all of this. So I started making sure I had enough for the people that were most important to me at home.

And some people in my life just didn't really like that. You know, they started, I think, feeling a little left behind. Didn't feel as prioritized, but I was like, I don't, this is what I have. You know, I, I don't, let's, can we readjust? Can we figure this out a little bit differently? I think it's surprised me. Also, I mean, I would've never guessed that I was gonna become, I like to call myself a suburban micro flower farmer. [00:23:00] I am a city girl and I love to travel, and of me and my sisters, I would've never thought I'd be the person like being able to detect what bird is singing in the backyard and. S like being mesmerized by bees for hours.

Just watching them flutter about the butterflies on my, you know, garden. I wouldn't have expected that this is who I would've become, but I'm the happiest most content version of myself at this point in my life. It's who I am.

Audra Dinell: Mm.

Kelly Crabb: selling our house and moving to an acreage, but we decided we didn't want that much work.

So, you know.

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah,

Audra Dinell: You haven't sold your house yet

Kelly Crabb: we haven't yet, and I don't

Audra Dinell: yet.

Kelly Crabb: but maybe we will. I don't know. Life, you can't really predict it.

Audra Dinell: You never know. I have started, and I've talked about this on the podcast, cooking a lot over the last year or two. And when I say cooking a lot, I mean my allot is probably very different than some other people's a lot. But like I probably cook at least two dinners a [00:24:00] month. And I cook for bake and cook and do things like that for holidays and like I bake bread and so.

That's also a surprise to me. That has been a fun place for me to experiment where when I'm looking at my family of origin, like, you know, my mom cooked every single meal for us. My sister was a stay at home mom for years before her kids were at a certain age, and she went back into the workforce. And so it's so funny to me that, you know, I'm having so much fun in the kitchen and trying these new recipes.

That has just been a, yeah, a fun little. Surprise,

Kelly Crabb: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: and it doesn't feel productive. It feels creative to me.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah. Yeah. Cooking is totally creative

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Kelly Crabb: yeah. I think that there's something that's surprising about cooking as well. I didn't used to enjoy it as much when I was younger, but there is something about like just the rhythm of cutting onions and [00:25:00] sauteing things in a pan and just, you get focused on the details of it, and it's actually pretty romantic.

I mean, some of it's. Boring, but some of it, when you have the right attitude and headspace about it can be special.

Audra Dinell: Yes, and we have been watching The Lost Kitchen with Erin. I'm blanking on her last name. She's a famous chef, but it remind. I was seeing myself in your story as you were watching the famous Gardener. Yep. And I, last night, you know, I paused reading your book to watch an episode of The Lost Kitchen with Aaron French, that's her last name,

Kelly Crabb: Okay.

Audra Dinell: because my husband and I just love, love her show and, and so yeah, I agree.

It's just, it's creative and fun and a different outlet.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah.

Slowing Down and Success
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Audra Dinell: Okay, so what advice do you have for women who are scared that slowing down will cost [00:26:00] them success?

Kelly Crabb: Hmm. I think any person that talks to somebody either in the last stages of their life or in their later years as work is no longer a part of their schedule and they have grandkids and all of that, the things that they talk about are the things that we should pay attention to when we're younger. I think there is a lot of pressure during certain seasons of your life to. Climb the ladder, get the title, have the paycheck, have the car, do the, you know, fill in the blank with all the things that the money's supposed to buy you. My mom passed away when she was 64 right when she was supposed to be starting those years that everybody waits for and has completely altered the way that I see my life and. Our financial planner hates it because we are not saving responsibly for retirement, but we're traveling [00:27:00] now and we're living now

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Kelly Crabb: nothing's ever promised. But also, b, I look at her and as she talked about things as she was nearing the end, I was like, I don't wanna wrapped up in the stuff that doesn't matter to me.

I want people, I want beauty. I want joy.

Audra Dinell: Hmm.

Kelly Crabb: So I'm gonna spend as much time as I can pursuing those things.

Audra Dinell: Hmm.

Have you heard of the word eudemonia?

Kelly Crabb: I've been following your writing,

Audra Dinell: Yes. That, that's it, I think, is it? It can be. I wouldn't call your cut flower farm, you know? Your vocation or your paid work currently. But it certainly is like hard work with purpose and I, I don't think eudemonia has anything to do with vocation or paid work. But I think that eudemonia is just that, like reaching for joy [00:28:00] and purpose and beauty and the deeper things.

That's what was coming to mind when you were sharing that. I was like, eudemonia. That's what that's what a lot of people, perhaps at the end of their life, perhaps that's what you're saying, a lot of people think matters.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah,

50th Birthday Monarch Trip
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Audra Dinell: Will you talk about your 50th birthday trip?

Kelly Crabb: I sure will. So i've made it my life goal at the turn of every decade to travel somewhere. And Jeremy and I also wanna do that in regards to our marriage. So 10 year markers are gonna be a big deal for us. When I turned 30, I went to Italy.

When I turned 40, I went to Paris. When I turned 50, I decided I wanted to go see the Monarchs in Mexico, where they migrate my birthday's in April. They weren't gonna still be there in April. So last January we flew to Mexico City, spent a couple days in Mexico City, and then went to San Miguel Dede, [00:29:00] and took a day trip to where all the Monarchs migrate to.

And if you are not familiar with Monarch migration, again, I could talk about it for days, but you have to look into it. It is the most thing that happens in nature. So we ended up getting up to the top of the mountain right as the sun was coming over crest and lighting up all of these mass amounts of monarchs that kind of clumped together in trees and hang there. And when they get warm enough, they like out like a river of pedals,

Audra Dinell: Oh my gosh.

Kelly Crabb: like wings not pedals, wings. And they have, you intentionally be as quiet as you can while you're up there because they, they don't want the monarchs to be disrupted. So you literally can hear the sound of thousands of butterflies flying around you, and it's the most incredible thing in the [00:30:00] world. So was a once in a lifetime trip. And I say that, but then Jeremy and I, every, you know, time we see a monarch or talk about monarchs, we're like, let's go back so maybe we'll go back. was an incredible experience. It also has become, monarchs have become very important to me. 'cause I'm convinced that somehow some way my mom is near me visiting me. I don't know. Heaven and Earth are colliding in some

Audra Dinell: Hmm.

Kelly Crabb: when a monarch shows up in my life. And so I pay really close attention. So it felt like a really sweet way to honor my mom. 'cause it had been just a little bit over 10 years since she had passed right before my 50th birthday. So it was pretty sacred and significant moment for me to be there.

Decade Travel Reflections
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Audra Dinell: I was gonna ask how you chose that trip for this birthday?

Kelly Crabb: Mm-hmm.

Audra Dinell: Did you have.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: Similar intentions for your 30 and 40, or were the reasons behind those [00:31:00] places different.

Kelly Crabb: When I turned 30, I was a photographer and I wanted to start building a fine art portfolio. So I chose a bunch of places in Italy that I just wanted to go and take pictures from sun up to sundown. That was pretty fun. When I turned 40, I had told myself if I was single, I was gonna go to Spain, and if I was married, I wanted to go to Paris.

So I had fallen in love, Jeremy and I actually spent a day or two in London, but then spent the most of our time in Paris. And then we hopped over to Venice. 'cause it's actually my favorite place I've ever been Venice. And I wanted him to see it. 'cause I keep thinking at one point it's gonna sink and it would be sad if he didn't get to see it.

So, I don't know where I'm gonna go for my 60th. Jeremy turns 50 this year and we're planning a trip to Portugal,

Audra Dinell: Oh, wonderful.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: I love that. And I, you know, in prepping for my 40th birthday, I've been doing a lot of thought, you know, I'm exploring this. Season with the second act writing [00:32:00] on Substack and in the podcast, but I thought, how do I actually wanna celebrate? And Corey and I also love travel and so I'm just always curious how people are making these decisions.

What I love about your decisions are they're so reflective of who you were at the time.

Kelly Crabb: Mm-hmm.

Audra Dinell: And I just think that's. Beautiful and who cares? Your 50-year-old self certainly doesn't care that your 30-year-old self was building this portfolio of photos in Italy. That may or not, may or may not be used in your work or daily life two decades later.

I don't know. Maybe they will be, but I just love that you're following these threads and these tugs based on who you are at the time, and that's all it needs to be.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: Hmm.

Kelly Crabb: Tie.

Audra Dinell: Okay.

Final Takeaways and Where to Find Her
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Audra Dinell: So as we wrap our conversation, I really have to say everyone who is listening you really, really, really should buy Beyond The Bloom will [00:33:00] link it in our show notes.

Kelly, what do you hope readers feel when they finish this book?

Kelly Crabb: I hope that they feel inspired to start. I just want people to. Even if it's not the thing, or, I mean, to your point, you just said this, you know, I, I was a photographer when I was 30. I would've never guessed I would be a flower farmer. Now who knows where I'm gonna be when I'm 60 and what I'm gonna be interested in then. wherever you are, don't wait. Just feel inspired to figure out how to do the thing that your heart is most curious about. And it might be a curiosity that lasts a decade, or it might be a curiosity that lasts two weeks. fine. You know, I meant, I mean, I once took a hip hop dance class guys, but I am not a hip hop dancer and that's okay. Right? So do the thing. I mean, what's stopping you?

Audra Dinell: I think that's what took me, what I took from this book is, you know, with an ADHD brain and [00:34:00] consistency and steadiness, you know, I wouldn't say those are my strong suits, although I am rather consistent at the things I love, including the work that I've been doing through the thread and this podcast and stuff, but.

This book to me just sort of helped me release some of that, like shame that could come around being multi-passionate, like it's okay to have all of these different lives. There's, that's how some of us are wired to, to follow curiosity and different interests. And it's okay if it's not always one study through line throughout the whole story.

Kelly Crabb: Mm-hmm.

Audra Dinell: And that was really important for me.

Kelly Crabb: Good.

Audra Dinell: Hmm. Well, thank you so much for saying yes. Where can our listeners find you?

Kelly Crabb: I am on Instagram. My handle's, I am Kelly Crab, one y [00:35:00] two Bs. I am on LinkedIn. I am. Places, apparently I'm supposed to start a sub substack, but I'm resistant, guys. I, I'm fighting, I'm fighting the expectation.

Audra Dinell: Okay.

Kelly Crabb: saying, no thanks.

Audra Dinell: Okay.

Kelly Crabb: But maybe one day,

Audra Dinell: Maybe one day.

Kelly Crabb: about, I am not curious about Substack right now.

It feels like a lot of pressure. I also felt the same way about Instagram at one point, so I'm always late to the party. This is, you know, it takes me a while to warm up to ideas sometimes.

Audra Dinell: That's okay. Okay. Well, we'll link those in the show notes. Thank you for coming on.

Kelly Crabb: Yeah, thanks for inviting me.

Audra Dinell: Thank you everyone for listening, and until next week.

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