A LOT with Audra

Ep71
===

​[00:00:00]

Audra Dinell: [00:01:00] Welcome back to A Lot with Audra. This week, we are having repeat guest, Jeana Marinelli, executive coach, on to share about her learnings from being behind the scenes at the 2026 Olympic Games. And when I say behind the scenes, I don't mean as an athlete or a part of the planning committee, I mean as a spectator.

And I say behind the scenes because Jeana's learnings really surprised me. They took a twist that I didn't expect, and I really understood the difference between being there and what that could mean to be a part of an experience versus watch it and have an experience that was separate from it. So I hope you [00:02:00] enjoy this short episode we recorded really impromptu on one of her last days in Italy.

Okay, I'm so excited. This week we have Jeana Marinelli back on, and she has been living the last three months in Florence, Italy to attend the 2026 Winter Olympics. Oh my gosh. What was like your biggest. Takeaway from the last three months of your life in getting to experience the Olympics in person.

Jeana Marinelli: Oh my gosh.

Birthday Reflections
---

Jeana Marinelli: I feel like the first thing I need to say to you is happy 40th birthday, because I haven't seen you since your 40th.

Audra Dinell: I know. Thank you.

Jeana Marinelli: That party I feel like was a masterclass in making people feel seen and celebrated.

Audra Dinell: My husband did a beautiful job.

Jeana Marinelli: What are, I'm like,

Audra Dinell: so

Jeana Marinelli: I'm the,

Audra Dinell: Every detail.

Jeana Marinelli: detail was, so you, and we've only known each other for [00:03:00] like six months and I could tell it was so you.

Audra Dinell: Thank you. That makes me feel really loved. And it was, it was, I mean, just down to everything, like the, they had a book table at the bookstore that was like, here's some Audra esque books. Yeah, had a cake that had four different books for each decade, like on the cake, and the chapters were called like These Are the Good Days or Main Character Energy.

It was just, it couldn't have been better.

Jeana Marinelli: What? Okay, before I answer your question, I have to ask you one question about turning 40. Like what? Did you learn about yourself from that experience?

Audra Dinell: I feel like I had 40 built up so much in my head. I was so excited about it. And then a couple of months beforehand I just froze. Like, oh my gosh, am I ready? that funny? and I think what I love so much about this season of life [00:04:00] is. The, the learning is that things are never black and white things are always in the gray. There's another way to say it, like it's always the third strand, you know? I've heard it described many ways, but that's sort of where I keep coming back to for myself. Like, it's not ready or not ready. It's like this is, this is life. Messy and it's beautiful and it's fragile to borrow from our EA language, and it's just here.

Jeana Marinelli: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: And I feel like that's been guiding a lot of my decisions when I'm tending to think black or white, right? Like maybe if I just do this, then all my problems will go away. Or maybe if I just read this book. It will have the answer to life. And it's like there, that's just

Jeana Marinelli: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: just not reality.

Jeana Marinelli: is black and white. I feel like that's a theme in so many coaching [00:05:00] clients is hearing a binary at the root of whatever decision they're trying to make.

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Jeana Marinelli: be like this, it's, or it's gonna be like that. And they're at such polar extremes that it doesn't allow for any of the, and that happens between,

Audra Dinell: Oh, yes. Approach 40. Was 40 a big deal for you? Are you 40?

Jeana Marinelli: yes, I am.

Audra Dinell: Okay.

Jeana Marinelli: celebrate, ooh, four years of that in October. Gosh.

Audra Dinell: Are you a Libra?

Jeana Marinelli: I'm Scorpio.

Audra Dinell: Okay.

Thank you for asking about my 40th.

From One Week to Ninety Days
---

Audra Dinell: So when you think back at your experience at the Olympics, and it wasn't in Florence, it was in Milano,

Jeana Marinelli: Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I was in, I took my dad to the Olympics. We were there for a week. I wasn't sure if I was gonna stay beyond, I had some snowboard stuff in there, but I was packed for a week and instead of getting on a 9 45 flight back to the states, [00:06:00] I got on a 9 45 bus up to Lano and then ended up staying, seeing all the stuff up in Lavino, coming back to Milan.

For some more hockey stuff and then going to Verona for closing ceremonies. And then at that point went to see friends that I used to babysit for in Florence. And that just sort of turned into a 90, almost 90 day. I think we're on like day 86 right now, so if the EU is listening, I will have left by 90 days.

But there was some dog sitting in Portugal that happened in between, but yes, it's been. It's been a wild ride that sort of I packed for and planned for one week.

Audra Dinell: How does, I mean, I'm so fascinated by this and obsessed and have never had that fluid of plans. I mean, just like, tell me how that was.

Jeana Marinelli: It, it was a process of just saying yes to things like first looking [00:07:00] for things and then saying yes to things. So I think, I mean the, there's, there's important underlying backdrop, which is that my part, I, I moved almost a year ago. The new apartment and the old apartment flooded. All of my belongings are in storage.

I don't have a a home right now. I'm well loved and taken care of by people, but I don't have my own home. And so the all I was ever intending to do was to go up to the mountains and to try to see the snowboarding up close and snowboard at the Olympics, which was also a big deal 'cause I was coming back from this huge cafeteria last year.

And then. There was just like curiosity and awe and delight and like following a sense of wonder that kept extending it into more. I think at this point I've moved my flight nine times.

Audra Dinell: Those words that you just said are some of my favorite words.

What the Trip Gave Her
---

Audra Dinell: Curiosity, awe, delight, and wonder, what would you say this 90 days-ish? [00:08:00] What did it give you?

Jeana Marinelli: I think it is giving me, and that verb shift is intentional 'cause I think it's been giving me something all along and it's planting stuff that I think it'll give me in the future. 'Cause it is, you know, it's now May 1st, it's sunny, it's hot. And I came with like, you know, a set amount of winter sweaters.

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Jeana Marinelli: Lots of rest, lots of joy. Lots of community, lots of exploration. Some delicious food. Plenty of delicious food. Although you and I have laughed about A DHD before, I forget to eat all the time.

Audra Dinell: Mm-hmm.

Even in Italy, I mean like that's a real accomplishment on your part.

Jeana Marinelli: well.

Audra Dinell: is not the right word. That is a real oversight,

Jeana Marinelli: oversight. Okay. But also I've been working this entire time too, so I'm not on a 90 day vacation. I'm working from Italy. I was, you know, I'd be on the [00:09:00] mountains at events from like all day and then go back and facilitate a five hour workshop on coaching. Like there's been work this whole time.

And so trying to juggle those things, it makes it easy to forget to eat sometimes. Although you're right, it's not my proudest moment, but what is it giving me? I think on some levels it's like giving me a renewed sense of self too, but I'm still figuring that out. I know we talked about the becoming quote last time and when I ended up in Florence after the Olympics ended, and it was sort of this like exhale of like, what do you mean I'm back in Florence when I don't know what I'm gonna do next?

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Jeana Marinelli: 'Cause when I was here, and I've been here one time since then in 2019, but when I was here in college studying black and white photography and realizing I didn't wanna go to med school, I was like sitting in that, in between that gray [00:10:00] area that delicious ambiguity that I think Gilda Radner calls it.

And I was like, wow. I, I don't know. I don't know what's happening and I don't know where I'm going next, what's happening in a, in a broader sense of like, what does the next chapter look like? And I'm back in Florence. So sleep, go for walks, try to write. And other than that, don't think about it too much.

Handling Transition Seasons
---

Audra Dinell: What I think is interesting and relatable about that, like not everyone. Is going to experience the apartment floods and the stuff in storage and the challenge and the freedom to have this fluidity. But everyone is going to experience these in-between seasons, these transition periods, and I just think that's so relatable and [00:11:00] I wonder what you think about. How you ended up using this period for curiosity and awe and wonder that led to joy and community and exploration. When so often it can be easy to hit a transition and feel stress and pressure, and that leads to, you know, other things that aren't joy.

Jeana Marinelli: Oh, I feel all those things too. It's an and,

Audra Dinell: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Jeana Marinelli: I think it's the. The, my task has been like feeling them but not sitting in them too long, which is hard.

right. There's definitely been a couple of days where I've like binge watched things and just did nothing for a day or two. 'cause of the sensory overload and like needing to [00:12:00] pause. I think the Olympics kicking it off.

Is one of those seismic shifts that just changes what you think is possible. Because it's such a once in a lifetime set of moments and activities, and so

it's interesting, so many people think about processing the Olympics. From like what do we learn from the athletes? And I think there's as much to learn from what it means to be expected or there

Audra Dinell: Hmm.

Jeana Marinelli: and like how to be,

Audra Dinell: it mean to you?

Jeana Marinelli: yeah.

Audra Dinell: Go ahead. Sorry.

Jeana Marinelli: were you gonna say?

Spectator Experience Reframed
---

Audra Dinell: What did it mean to be a spectator there?

Jeana Marinelli: So like.

I know I can't live my life every day being an Olympic spectator. I do think I'm really good at it though because for me it's like watching everything. So when you're watching the Olympics in person, you do not have. [00:13:00] Announcers narrating everything. It's like I met Tara and Johnny, but I never heard them talk about a single thing at figure skating.

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Jeana Marinelli: when you're watching these events, someone is not describing the play by play and breaking down the technical elements of it. You're watching it from what you see and feel, whether it's on the ice, on the slopes, on the jumps, and like what the crowd is doing in relationship to what's happening. On the ice, on the mountain, on the course, et cetera.

So it's a completely different experience that in many ways isn't captured by what's on tv. And like for me, it begins before you even get to the venue. Like we took public transit almost everywhere. I had these face stickers that I ended up bringing on the, the train and like passing them out to people.

So Michelle, whose house I'm in, we were on our way to figure skating together. We had the stars all over our face. And [00:14:00] we're like passing out rhinestone stars to other people to put on their face, like across language barriers. And so there's this like community sense of cheering, like not just cheering on the athletes, but cheering on the other people.

Cheering and having bonding and exchange like beautiful moments with them. Does that make sense?

Audra Dinell: Oh, it totally makes sense. And watching your experience of the Olympics on Instagram, I. Just feel like I was there with you and that that was what I saw. I thought, wow, Jeana is just so good at building and how amazing she is at making friends. But as I'm hearing you, so it feels congruent to what I saw from following your stories, but hearing you describe it, I'm having this image of like, as we're watching the Olympic. Olympics from our TV hearing, the commentators we're watching it, but we're, we're [00:15:00] really like in our heads, you know, we are, we're listening. We're like, sort of like, scrutinizing, but you know, we're, we're thinking about it where the experience you described it reminds me of just feeling something with your whole body and energy and, and your thinking brain, you know, is not. The top thing that you're experiencing. It's like

Jeana Marinelli: yes to all of that.

Audra Dinell: feel it in my body when you're describing it, how it was to be a spectator.

Jeana Marinelli: And so their like the figure skating team finals night, which the US team ended up winning gold. And we're watching the performances and I wish I remembered his name. The Italian skater that did the free skate. When he finished, he was so proud of himself. He like, and you felt it, you knew it.

I can't watch from the stands and I like sort of think I know the [00:16:00] difference. Well, actually I did get deep into the like. The axle's, the only one taking off going forward. The south cows and the rest of them take off going backwards, but they still happen in such a split second. You're like, wait, was it three or was it four or was it two or was it three and four?

Or like, so you don't know all those technical things like as it's happening, but you knew he did so well because it like it, it becomes like electric and sort of transcendent. And so then you feel. I'm sure there's scientific stuff you could break down that the electromagnetic energy is actually different in the, in those moments.

But he's so proud of himself. He skates around the arena. He like runs and slides on his knees and, and like just has this whole moment and you feel it. And I hate that I'm describing a guy's moment 'cause there were so many, moments like that for female athletes.

Gender Equal Olympics
---

Jeana Marinelli: In fact, it wasn't until I went [00:17:00] to the men's halfpipe that I realized I have never been to a men's only Olympic competition.

I had only gone to women's stuff. And in some of them they happen to have co-ed competitions. Because one of, one of the reasons I love the Olympics, and it's such a big thing for me, is we didn't see female athletes. Centered and celebrated like this growing up. And so Paris was the first gender equal Summer Olympics.

Milano Corino was the first gender equal Winter Olympics. And so there's actually different things happening now for sports, for women's sports and like Olympic athletes. That just wasn't even true 10 years ago, let alone when we were kids.

Audra Dinell: Mm. I didn't realize that. Were you at the Olympics in Paris? I know you've been to the Olympics before.

Jeana Marinelli: So I did Paris and Milan.

Audra Dinell: Wow. I mean, just what a like lifetime bucket list thing to say [00:18:00] that I attended the first gender equal Summer Olympics and Winter Olympics.

Jeana Marinelli: Yeah, it, I mean, it's it's truly incredible because.

There's so much magic happening, and it's not just the athletes, it's the people in the crowd, it's the community. It's walking around the streets of the local events like you are surrounded by people who are ready to show up and celebrate the power of sports.

Bringing It Home Through Writing
---

Audra Dinell: Mm. How would you take such a powerful experience? How do you anticipate taking such a powerful experience and weaving that back into your next act, whatever that may be.

Jeana Marinelli: That's a question I'm actively thinking about, so I would love ideas if you have them. How would you do it?

Audra Dinell: For me, I always, you mentioned writing and so I'm curious what you're writing, [00:19:00] but for me that's always the start is I feel like in my week this week, I did not attend the Olympics, but I attended a beautiful. Leadership art walk lecture with a couple of artists from Santa Fe, I had a workshop for my 11th cohort in the thread and learned from this really gifted therapist I.

Yeah, I love to write to process my experiences, so that's always my first stop, and I don't feel like I take the time to do that as much as I want to. So that's the first thought I have of, even just the beautiful experiences I've had this [00:20:00] week. So sometimes with something so big that you've experienced. I wonder, you know, if I would have trouble even starting to write about that because it just feels so big.

Jeana Marinelli: Yeah.

Audra Dinell: Is writing part of your process, is that what you're doing?

Jeana Marinelli: Yes, and I think I am like 98% in the same boat as you, because I don't know if it's COVID or the stress of everything going on in the world or what, but it is way harder to read and write than it used to be for me. I experienced that. And. If I try to sit down and write about anything big, I can't. I'm frozen.

I'm stuck. Even like how to put things into words. I am like floating above my head, being like, is this any good? Is she even gonna use this? Are we gonna need to record a third one? 'cause it's crap what you're [00:21:00] sharing. Right. So, it can be a harsh critic of myself. And like I could sit down and write about specific things.

Like just specific moments and grab onto that and just sort of document it. I think processing really big things has become a struggle for reasons I'm still trying to understand. And so I think it's like I learned so much from the athletes. I've got like lessons from Chloe Kim, lessons from Elisa Lou, like specific people I followed and watched and loved.

And there's like direct leadership lessons.

Consumption Versus Contribution
---

Jeana Marinelli: I think this part about how we show up in community and how we be a, not a spectator, because I think the problem is, ooh, here we go. Here's the words. I, I don't think I was a spectator at the Olympics. I, I think I was like a participant in some sort of community.

Now, I wasn't an athlete and I didn't get a medal, but it's everybody [00:22:00] that comes together that makes that experience happen. And I think that there's. And I've been on this like sort of kick recently too, of being so frustrated with social media. I mean, social media is beautiful in the sense that I got to meet up with people who were in Italy when I was here because of social media and like this trip got extended because of social media.

And I'm talking about actual real life friendships, not like, you know. I don't, I don't have sponsorships or any of that kind of stuff, but like actual people that I know that I was in cohorts with, that we realized we were in the same place and we were able to get together and find a surf instructor in Portugal 'cause of social, all of that.

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Jeana Marinelli: people are, I'm so frustrated watching myself and others just consume people's lives. So like when I, I realize this, and this is maybe the, like, why I said it showed me a little bit of who I am because how [00:23:00] you, I mean, how you do anything is how you do everything. But I think how I do the Olympics or like naturally show up at the Olympics is who I am when I'm at my best in the sense of like noticing joy, noticing excellence and reflecting it back to people and sharing it.

So like, I'm not gonna show up and just consume something beautiful. Take a picture from afar and go away. And actually this is an aha too, is I'm thinking like I'm holding this bar for, I have to write about it to process it. But that goes to your idea of being in your head, like I'm processing it, being there, talking to people, taking photos, making friends, talking to people.

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Jeana Marinelli: like I ended up staying with someone that I met while we were cheering on one of the snowboard courses. Like I've met and kept up many new friends and I'm an introvert, and so it's like, I think it's [00:24:00] the, we shouldn't be passive spectators in anything.

Audra Dinell: Hmm.

Jeana Marinelli: Because that consumption, like you can't be, you can't consume community, but people want to, and I think the powers that be on the internet wanna sell us the idea that you can.

Audra Dinell: Oh gosh. It is like you are hitting it because as you're talking, I'm thinking about how bold and how vulnerable you have to be to be fully all in. I mean, you've paid the money, you've invested the time you've traveled, you're in the place, but I am sure there are people there who were tempted to or who. Were spectators, right? Taking the pictures from afar, going back to their hotel room. So to like actively live in this organic community and not structurally build community, but you're there like to just be apart. That feels so vulnerable and [00:25:00] bold to me.

Jeana Marinelli: Well, and I think about some of the, the coolest moments, the, the moments that meant the most to me started from a noticing. Just going back to noticing what we talked about last time, like at. Milano Cortina did this incredible thing where they emailed people who were already there and offered us tickets to events for 16 Euros one six.

So I got to go to dual moguls, an event I knew absolutely nothing about. It was snowing that morning. I get there late. It's easily the coolest effing thing I've ever seen. They're going down. Like a mogul course. They're doing back flip scenarios and then they're going down more moguls, and it's a combination of like skill and artistry, measurement and speed.

It's not just straight who finishes first. It's a blend of those things. And so because it's fast, it's electric crowd. And I noticed there [00:26:00] is this group of. People having more fun than anyone else with these cardboard js that are all different. They're red, white, and blue. They're, they have different like collage things on it, and I realize it's all Jalen cough's family, but there must have been like 40 or 50 of them with hand painted js and I'm.

Not only having fun watching her win her silver medal, I'm watching her crew like have the best time. And I was standing behind them. And so at one point some of them were trying to take a photo and I was like, oh, do you want me to take this photo for you? And so they're like, sure. So I took some photos for them and I was like, you're, I have to tell you, I've been to tons of events.

These are the coolest signs I've ever seen. And I just shared from my perspective how. Special and meaningful. Those lines were, I was like, it's just so cool to watch and congratulations. And so I was talking to her sister [00:27:00] and she ended up giving me one of Jalen cough's pins, and just in the process of talking to her sister, I like ended up hanging out with them, ended up celebrating with them all day, and it started from.

Offering to take a photo and just telling them how cool their signs were was a genuine thing. Like as an executive coach, as someone who's run cohorts and like an expert in community design, I'm like, you guys have something really special here. And it turns out her dad handmade all of those for everyone that traveled from all over the world

Audra Dinell: Wow.

Jeana Marinelli: were the most welcoming, wonderful group of people.

Again, it started from just like seeing something that I was in a of and telling someone that.

Audra Dinell: Yeah. Yeah. Because I think it's the two steps. I mean, I often take things to my thinking brain, right? Yeah. But it's like the two steps of like first you noticed, but then [00:28:00] you were vulnerable enough or, or bold enough to just share.

Jeana Marinelli: And I,

Audra Dinell: Because so often we notice things, right? Like, I mean, I don't, I think so often we don't notice things, but, but sometimes we do notice things, but like. Extending ourselves is next step, and sometimes we fall short there.

Jeana Marinelli: yeah, and I think like. It genuinely brings me joy. Even when I went to Japan by myself in 2018. If people are in a like important life moment, I'm a very good iPhone photographer and they're taking bad photos, I'm like, no, no, let me do it. So I found so much joy being in Japan in all over Thanksgiving and all of these.

Like gardens in beautiful places. Standing in the spot, like sussing out where it was, and then taking photos for like 20 people just for fun. 'cause it brings me joy. So here I'm watching them, they're trying to take a [00:29:00] selfie and get everyone, squeeze it in the frame. And I'm like, oh, can I do that for you?

And I'm like, let me take 20, give you it, make sure you like it. So that also just comes from genuine joy of I want you to leave this moment with photos. You're ecstatic about.

Audra Dinell: Yeah. Well, and like you mentioned, seeing someone else's or seeing, seeing another group's joy. It's just infectious

Jeana Marinelli: Yes.

Audra Dinell: it's like, it, it exudes, it rubs off on

Jeana Marinelli: Mm-hmm.

Audra Dinell: So as we're wrapping this conversation, which I wish, and perhaps we'll do another one, but we could talk.

Noticing Wonder Daily
---

Audra Dinell: For so much longer, can we become better noticers of the wonder and the joy in our own lives? are no Olympics.

Jeana Marinelli: Go for walks. I wanna say go for a walk without your phone. But I also wanna say go for a walk with [00:30:00] like, if you have access to a camera that's not your phone, great. Or go for a walk with your phone on airplane mode and your camera open. Because like, it's also the same reason why like, I'm obsessed with peonies.

I was walking, I was trying to get a bunch of errands done. I saw them at the market stopped, and it was like I, no other errand I have to do as important as getting the like coral peonies. And so

Audra Dinell: Yeah.

Jeana Marinelli: just think it's. There are so many moments for joy and awe, and I actually think even, it's like what all those moments I'm describing are small moments that happen to happen at the Olympics, but could happen anywhere.

Like how often are you walking by people taking a photo and you could offer to take it for them.

I was in, I was. Doing work with a client in Hawaii a couple years ago and was just getting outta the ocean surfing really early in the morning. And there was this group of women in their [00:31:00] probably sixties, seventies, and eighties, like a big intergenerational group of women.

And they had this massive spread and they were, it was a book, it was clearly a book club. 'cause they all have the same book and they were having this big party for themselves. And like, actually it wasn't, it was like 11:00 AM so it was not super early. I had gone in super early, but I was coming out and they're having such joy.

And I just stopped. I'm soaking wet in Sandy, holding a nine foot surfboard. And I was like, has someone taken a picture of you guys with this amazing setup you have? And they're like, no, no one has. And I put my surfboard down. I was like, let's do it. I was like, let's do it with the ocean reflecting off you.

Now let's turn around and do it with the ocean behind you.

Audra Dinell: Mm-hmm.

Jeana Marinelli: and that works for me. 'cause like, I love photography, but like everybody has a version of that of. What, like what's the thing that brings you joy that you can offer to other people in small doses? Like as you're moving about your day and how do you, how do we move [00:32:00] slow enough even though things are so fast to be able to offer that?

Audra Dinell: One thing that comes to mind for me is words of affirmation is my love language. So when I think something about someone, I love to tell

Jeana Marinelli: Yes.

Audra Dinell: know, whether it be, I love the way you put that outfit together. Something just as simple and as surface level potentially as that something. Deeper, like you handle that so beautifully with, with your child or, you know, you're so good at using words.

That's what I say to you. You're good with words. So, so, that brings me complete joy to just share with people what I'm thinking about them. Those little nuggets. So that to me seems similar to your photo taking. Passion.

Jeana Marinelli: Yeah, I think it requires [00:33:00] people to, I think we have to slow down.

Audra Dinell: Mm-hmm.

Jeana Marinelli: Like the in every, when we're coaching teams and groups and people are trying to make big organizational shifts and changes, like it always starts with slowing down, not speeding up.

Audra Dinell: Yeah. I think what I'm taking from this conversation, going in, you know, being so curious to hear about. Your experience at the Olympics? What feels so encouraging to me is that although attending the Olympics or something amazing like that is not necessarily accessible to everyone, noticing the beauty and joy in our own lives is. So it's just really amazing to be that. We're sitting here talking about just this basic human thing that is accessible to all of us, that slowing down and [00:34:00] being in this space with community brought you. It's almost like back to the basics.

Final Threads and Farewell
---

Jeana Marinelli: Well, now I feel inspired to write. I am gonna go write 'cause I, the, the thread the thread I'm pulling on.

Audra Dinell: Thank you.

Jeana Marinelli: which is so funny 'cause we need to talk about how my word for 2025 was thread. We haven't talked about that, but,

Audra Dinell: wow.

Jeana Marinelli: maybe we just need like a weekly radio show.

Audra Dinell: I think so. I think you just need to be a regular.

Jeana Marinelli: The is like spectator versus participant or like spectator versus, Ooh. Like consumption versus contribution and like how we, how not, I mean I can invite other people to do this, but for me it's like, can't demand that [00:35:00] people stop being spectators. 'cause it is nice to just like stop and watch something.

But what are we contributing to the things we wanna see in the world? Because I think. For me, from a like leadership standpoint, ownership matters so much, and like the National Equity project's definition of leadership is taking ownership over something that matters. And so how does that ownership show up in relationship to other people and in community?

And there's, there's threads I wanna pull on that from this conversation. So maybe for part three, I'll be more ready to talk about lessons from the Olympics.

Audra Dinell: I love, well, thank you so much for taking the time to be here and have this conversation with us today.

Jeana Marinelli: you so much. I appreciate it deeply.

​

[00:36:00]